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Our Spartan friend SpartanMack loves trolling our board, and and I ain’t gonna lie - his troll posts are often pretty funny, as are gotime909’s and some of the others.Ed Martin had nothing to do with Juwan, Jimmy, or Ray. Jalen knew him but was not implicated in the scandal after being thoroughly investigated. How could anyone know this? Not like the internet exists with easy access to the information or anything.
I see you're taking a page out of MC's book - pasting links to articles that don't prove or even support what you've claimed or disprove anything I've said but pretending they do. Thanks for letting me know what Jimmy King had to say - I guess that means Ed Martin paying Webber was only for the point shaving and not to get him to go to uofm because that was all Juwan. Well done.Per usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Juwan Howard Is Taking Over At Michigan, But His Recruiting Days Began By Bringing Fab Five Together
Juwan Howard realizes he has a lot to prove in his first head coaching job. But Howard, who took over at Michigan last week and was a member of the famed Fab Five recruiting class, might have built some equity in recruiting when he helped bring his former teammates together nearly 30 years ago.www.forbes.com
By showing the facts which prove it's based on garbage. It's not hard.LOL, how can you "debunk" an opinion?
The age old non-sense that Ed Martin only drove players to Michigan is great fiction for rivals. Must be why he so strongly encouraged Howard Eisley to go to Boston College and Voshon Lenard to Minnesota. It's almost like Ed Martin only cared about being in the inner circle of future pros.I see you're taking a page out of MC's book - pasting links to articles that don't prove or even support what you've claimed or disprove anything I've said but pretending they do. Thanks for letting me know what Jimmy King had to say - I guess that means Ed Martin paying Webber was only for the point shaving and not to get him to go to uofm because that was all Juwan. Well done.
Nice deflection. I’ve never heard anyone say Ed Martin only drove players to uofm and I’ve certainly never said that myself. Even if I did, that wouldn’t disprove anything I’ve said. But given your extremely weak position, it’s not at all surprising that you’re trying to make this about something else.The age old non-sense that Ed Martin only drove players to Michigan is great fiction for rivals. Must be why he so strongly encouraged Howard Eisley to go to Boston College and Voshon Lenard to Minnesota. It's almost like Ed Martin only cared about being in the inner circle of future pros.
Of course you can't understand the nuance of Juwan being so influential on making the Fab Five happen. It was all Ed Martin, a person Juwan, Jimmy, and Ray never met before they were student-athletes at UM, that made it happen.
You're not particularly bright, are you? I said you'd have to google their names IF Ed Martin didn't pay Webber to go to uofm because there would be no Fab 5 without Webber and Rose - they'd just be another ordinary run of the mill mediocre uofm team.Yeah, I have to Google Jimmy King and Ray Jackson after I've mentioned them by name hundreds of times on this board. Super tough to remember two of my favorite players from my childhood.
What is this Webber point shaving crap? Message board rumors taken as fact? Why would Webber be shaving points when he was getting plenty of money from Ed for just being Chris Webber? Doesn't make any sense.
And I'll take Jimmy King's word on Howard bringing the group together instead of them all choosing different schools over someone who knows absolutely nothing about the Fab Five other than whining about Ed paying C-Webb.
Yes, Jalen said that him and C-Webb viewed themselves as a package deal since they were in 8th grade. However, Juwan was the first to sign with Michigan and make the major push to get Jimmy, Ray, and then Jalen and Chris all to UM. That is why Juwan is so influential in getting the Fab Five together. Jalen and Chris were heavily leaning towards other schools, but Juwan calling all of the other four guys consistently and selling them on Michigan was a huge deal.You're not particularly bright, are you? I said you'd have to google their names IF Ed Martin didn't pay Webber to go to uofm because there would be no Fab 5 without Webber and Rose - they'd just be another ordinary run of the mill mediocre uofm team.
hmmm, why would he be shaving points when Ed Martin had paid him 10s of thousands of dollars to shave points? That's a real head scratcher because it's not like Ed Martin could then ruin his career in college and the NBA or anything like that. Of course, Ed Martin who ran a massive illegal bookie business probably only gave him that money because Ed Martin loved uofm (and Chris Webber).
Personally, I'll take Jalen Rose's word at the time when he said he would have gone to Syracuse if Webber hadn't gone to uofm (because Ed Martin paid him to go to uofm) over Jimmy King blowing smoke up Juwan's rear end 20+ years later.
Hit the two or where it says next. Same as old board.. I'm thinking you're not so smart..How the F do I get from this page, page 1, to the next page?
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I blame Mateen Cleeves (sic) for not driving that Explorer back to Ann Arbor. In fact, I expect that Mateen was a mole assigned by Izzo to dig up the dirt and those strippers, drugs, alcohol were "arranged" by Izzo through Martin (who was also a Spartan mole with the intent of destroying Michigan basketball) and Webber was going to go to MSU until he discovered Izzo's subterfuge so he went to Michigan and took the money from Martin so that he didn't blow his cover (counter-insurgency and all that) and Howard, Rose, Jackson, and King were all forced to go to Michigan to promote that "Fab Five" crap to numb the nation into a frenzy over college basketball -- a scheme that was originated by Tavistock (a UK Social-Engineering outfit that also invented the Beatles ["Fab Four," see what I'm talking about?] -- there are no coincidences said FDR) and wouldn't you know it -- guess what song was playing when that Explorer rolled?Hmmm, what was more influential - Juwan Howard nagging him on the phone or Ed Martin paying him a two hundred and eighty grand? That's a tough one but your argument is pretty persuasive so I've changed my view - it was probably Juwan Howard.
For the record, Rose and Webber did NOT consider themselves a package deal - for Webber it came down to dook, MSU and uofm. Rose has said multiple times he wasn't recruited by dook and he wasn't considering MSU. If Webber went to either of those schools, Rose has said he was going to Syracuse.
It's an interesting theory, definitely more plausible than thewolverines24's obvious nonsense but I think you can make this stuff up. I think Tinsel could too. I could probably come up with something close to it. I think only thewolverines24 and the people that write the silly articles he falls for would probably struggle with it. But since it wasn't made up, I'm looking forward to seeing what Tavistock comes up with for the Fab Six - if it's every 30 years or so we should be finding out soon.I blame Mateen Cleeves (sic) for not driving that Explorer back to Ann Arbor. In fact, I expect that Mateen was a mole assigned by Izzo to dig up the dirt and those strippers, drugs, alcohol were "arranged" by Izzo through Martin (who was also a Spartan mole with the intent of destroying Michigan basketball) and Webber was going to go to MSU until he discovered Izzo's subterfuge so he went to Michigan and took the money from Martin so that he didn't blow his cover (counter-insurgency and all that) and Howard, Rose, Jackson, and King were all forced to go to Michigan to promote that "Fab Five" crap to numb the nation into a frenzy over college basketball -- a scheme that was originated by Tavistock (a UK Social-Engineering outfit that also invented the Beatles ["Fab Four," see what I'm talking about?] -- there are no coincidences said FDR) and wouldn't you know it -- guess what song was playing when that Explorer rolled?
"Drive My Car" ... you can't make this stuff up.
It's an interesting theory, definitely more plausible than thewolverines24's obvious nonsense but I think you can make this stuff up. I think Tinsel could too. I could probably come up with something close to it. I think only thewolverines24 and the people that write the silly articles he falls for would probably struggle with it. But since it wasn't made up, I'm looking forward to seeing what Tavistock comes up with for the Fab Six - if it's every 30 years or so we should be finding out soon.
AND, since you bring it up, it bears pointing out that despite the broken back he suffered in that wreck, Mateen was still able to accomplish something the Fab Five never could by winning the National Championship (and finishing college).
and finally, while I disagree with FDR that there are NO coincidences - it's definitely true that his creation/expansion of the welfare state and collapse of the American family and thus the country is not a coincidence.
There’s a movie in the works, Midas Man, about Brian Epstein and the Beatles. Jay Leno plays Ed Sullivan. In the movie, Epstein changes the time space continuum and the trajectory of the Beatles lives that almost everyone forgets that they ever existed.I blame Mateen Cleeves (sic) for not driving that Explorer back to Ann Arbor. In fact, I expect that Mateen was a mole assigned by Izzo to dig up the dirt and those strippers, drugs, alcohol were "arranged" by Izzo through Martin (who was also a Spartan mole with the intent of destroying Michigan basketball) and Webber was going to go to MSU until he discovered Izzo's subterfuge so he went to Michigan and took the money from Martin so that he didn't blow his cover (counter-insurgency and all that) and Howard, Rose, Jackson, and King were all forced to go to Michigan to promote that "Fab Five" crap to numb the nation into a frenzy over college basketball -- a scheme that was originated by Tavistock (a UK Social-Engineering outfit that also invented the Beatles ["Fab Four," see what I'm talking about?] -- there are no coincidences said FDR) and wouldn't you know it -- guess what song was playing when that Explorer rolled?
"Drive My Car" ... you can't make this stuff up.
I don't remember the name either: "Things We Said Today?" Maybe I'm Amazed that I can't remember. Wait. Billy wrote and sang that one. With one eye. Did you know that Billy has a glass eye? Whatever: Paul was buried going on four years by then.There’s a movie in the works, Midas Man, about Brian Epstein and the Beatles. Jay Leno plays Ed Sullivan. In the movie, Epstein changes the time space continuum and the trajectory of the Beatles lives that almost everyone forgets that they ever existed.
The most unbelievable thing about the movie was that Himesh Patel could ever get a hottie like Lilly James to notice him.
Wait a minute - that was a different movie. That was a movie that came out on a different day, like yesterday. I forget the name of that movie.
Maybe.I don't remember the name either: "Things We Said Today?" Maybe I'm Amazed that I can't remember. Wait. Billy wrote and sang that one. With one eye. Did you know that Billy has a glass eye? Whatever: Paul was buried going on four years by then.
Anyway: One scene that I have watched a lot is the initial recording session with the studio right next to the railroad tracks. After he plays "She Loves You" the "engineer" (get it? Movies are so esoteric) asks "got any more songs?"
"One or two."
And if this Epstein also committed suicide, Jay Leno IS Ed Sullivan. EDIT: Ed was in on the Beatles' Ruse from the very first appearance.
This is quite a diversion from Juwan's dismissal as Michigan's basketball coach ( and he was definitely NOT "the cute one.")
Maybe.
Who knows.
This scene always makes me cry.
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