RIP Colin Powell...

[Michchamp]

the government already controls people.

go out and drive whatever speed you want, and see what happens if the police catch you and you don't pull over.

or try not paying your taxes (without being in the wealthiest 1%...)

or try selling lemonade on your street corner without a street vendor permit.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It is now a 1.6% mortality rate in the US, and still dropping. That is compared to the REPORTED number of cases. It does not include all of the people who are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic and self treated at home. So it is pretty clear that the actual mortality would be below 1.5% if we take that into account. If we then adjust all the BS reported causes that were erroneously assigned to Covid as opposed to the underlying ailment that really caused it, as in the case of Powell, my bet is the true mortality in the US is below 1%.

The real question then becomes, when you have a 99% chance of surviving, why are you so fucking afraid of this thing?

Furthermore, why is the government allowed to create a mandate based off FALSE impressions that when you are vaccinated it prevents one from getting and spreading it? Seriously, there is zero difference between a vaccinated person with Covid walking around spreading it and an unvaccinated person who is asymptomatic and spreading it. ZERO difference. So in reality there are likely more vaccinated people spreading Covid now than there are unvaccinated. Yet governments are mandating a fucking card like they are the Gestapo "where's your papers!"

You cannot tell me that vaccinated people are safer for society than unvaccinated because that is a lie. There are over 4,500 variants now, though only a few that the CDC keeps an eye on and labels with a Greek letter due to that variant having genetics that either increase transmission or intensity or both. Variants are floating around and they are creating even more variants. Being vaccinated actually increases the need of variants to be stronger in order to survive. It is a piece of science many Liberals apparently failed to learn about, it is called Darwinism.

The government is abusing their authority with this, and we all know that once governments have this level of authority it becomes something they more quickly and eagerly enact moving forward. It is a travesty and violation of all that the US Constitution was framed around.

Of course the Socialists want it. It is why Champ is pushing so hard for it. Because it is NOT about being vaccinated and caring about people's health and safety and reducing the spread. If those were legit concerns then they would be more on earned about the vaccinated people spreading it. No, this is entirely about government increasing their authority and implementing a "Papers Mandate".

Funny how Liberals are demanding Vaccine Cards but they do not demand immigration documents. They are willingly and eagerly going to push illegal immigrants to get their VC, but will not simultaneously require residency documentation.

The entire Covid thing is ridiculous at this point. Using Fear to control people used to be something Democrats did not support, like when it is used to support the War on Terror. Suddenly they are embracing the use of Fear Tactics. Liberals used to be pro-Choice when it came to abortion and the death of as many babies as Covid has supposedly killed (2018 known abortions were 618,000+)... but when it comes to vaccines there is NO CHOICE!!!

No, this is not about vaccines, it is about government control of the people.

Wow.

Are you saying my friend MichChamp poses a challenge to AOC to be the face of the totalitarian left?

My.

That?s almost Stalin/Trotsky-esque.

 

[Michchamp]

And actually in 2020 there were 345k deaths from Covid... which is less than Heart Disease, Cancer, and abortion. In fact, there was a time when over 1.5 million abortions were happening in the US every year.

No, I am not anti-abortion... I am pro-choice. Just like I am with the vaccinations. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the Liberals when it comes to Choice and how this is really a matter of government increasing control over the pooulation.

cancer, heart-disease, and abortion are not transmissible between people...

Do you want me to hold your hand and walk you through a basic course in logic?

 

[Michchamp]

Wow.

Are you saying my friend MichChamp poses a challenge to AOC to be the face of the totalitarian left?

My.

That?s almost Stalin/Trotsky-esque.

AOC is not the totalitarian left. Come on... Stalin would not have shown up to the Met Gala in a Red Army coat with "tax the rich" written on it.

Hell... not only would Stalin NOT go to the Met Gala, he wouldn't allow the Met Gala to happen; all those people attending would be marched off to the Gulag. any who complained would be shot out of hand.

Ironically... I... kinda think most regular Americans would be okay with that.

edit: if i'm getting accused of being a totalitarian socialist, maybe I need to go back to having Mao as my avatar? I kinda like the stokely carmichael pic I have now.

 

[Spartanmack]

I included the link to my data.

Thanks for including a link for one month of data that only shows the absolute number of deaths from COVID and nothing to support you claim about cops. That's useful.

Seems a little misleading to say the avg. age is 81. #'s of deaths due to COVID start to creep up in one's 40's according to your link, and it's not a negligible risk.

If they "creep" up, they creep from near zero to a still negligible level.

and adding up all the dead under 50 (around 100,000) & 99,000 dead from ages 50-64. I guess fuck those people, right?

No one ever said that - they're all free to get the vaccine. If you're implying any of those people died because someone else chose to not get the vaccine, please share the data because that contradicts the science as it's been shown.

of those 64-75, another 160,000 dead... for a nation that used to have an increasing life expectancy, kinda shocking to suddenly see that decreasing, and writing off our parents and grandparents as good as dead because they hit old age.

Again, no one is telling any of those people to get vaccinated. In fact, I've clearly said the opposite - those who are vulnerable should be encouraged to get the vaccine as it's been shown to reduce their risk of being hospitalized and dying. Good job arguing against something nobody said - what do they call that? Oh yeah, a strawman.

No, this is an unprecedented public health crisis, AND it's still not over, and the last wave was worse than the one at the same time the year before.

and of course, who wants to get sick as a dog for 2 weeks or more like the people I know who've got it and recovered? or be an otherwise healthy 43 year old like my friend, who couldn't ride his bike for over a month because his lungs were fucked by this. Dying isn't the only bad outcome, and some percentage of recoveries are going to need long term care, or will get wiped out early from something else.

Again, those people are free to get the vaccine just like anyone else. I've only known 2 people to get sick from the virus - one was hospitalized for a week or so, the other had what he described as a bad flu for a few days. My 86 year old mother-in-law who we thought was dying for over a year was hospitalized with pneumonia when she got COVID and she was fine in less than 5 days.

if you say so. but we were talking about the COVID statistics you pulled out of your ass... what do billionaires have to do with that?

Those stats come from the CDC. I don't keep the CDC or any of their data in my ass - I don't store anything up there. I bring up billionaires because they're the ones pushing for these mandates and coercing their government cronies to get the mandates for not only the people who benefit from the vax, but for everyone to get the vax and they're getting rich off the scheme. They're doing exactly what you think the other team does when in fact, it's mostly your team that does it. I can't believe that needed explaining. Jeez you're dumb.

 

[Spartanmack]

How does one research COVID vaccines in any meaningful way to decide whether to get the shot or not?

Youtube videos?

The CDC recommends you get vaccinated (link)

as does the Mayo Clinic (link)

as does the American Medical Association (link), and they also recommend vaccine mandates (link)

Practically every public health agency or medical institution in the US recommends them, so "do your research" is such a bullshit talking point. What? You going to go back to college for an advanced degree in biology, get experience researching vaccines, then fund your own lab, collect samples, and publish your results?

It's hilarious seeing someone like you, tigermud or Sam Darnold (who was a comm major at USC, LOL) talking about "doing your research."

I'd trust a monkey in a labcoat over any of you.

Start with Dr. Peter McCulloch - it's not hard to find reputable scientists and physicians speaking out against mandates and other public health initiatives pushed by so-called experts.

 

[Spartanmack]

the government already controls people.

go out and drive whatever speed you want, and see what happens if the police catch you and you don't pull over.

or try not paying your taxes (without being in the wealthiest 1%...)

or try selling lemonade on your street corner without a street vendor permit.

will they force you to get an anti-speeding, or a pay your taxes vax?

My kids have lemonade stands all summer long - the cops are some of their best customers. But we don't live in a Dem hell-hole.

 

[Spartanmack]

cancer, heart-disease, and abortion are not transmissible between people...

Do you want me to hold your hand and walk you through a basic course in logic?

again, the vaccine does NOT prevent the spread of COVID 19.

 

[zyxt9]

cancer, heart-disease, and abortion are not transmissible between people...

Do you want me to hold your hand and walk you through a basic course in logic?

Are you certain about that? Because Science is investigating links into various infectious diseases that lead to heart disease:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/bo

Yes, I know it is not a Fox article, sorry that it is coming from a .gov site.

As for cancer:
https://www.nfcr.org/blog/infectiou...~:text=Some of the infectious agents,(KSHV),%

So sorry to burst your bubble again.

See, where you are once again uninformed, misinformed, and Full of Fear, I am none of the above. It makes perfect sense that communicable diseases are capable of leading to heart disease and cancer. It helps to explain how some smokers live to 100 while others develop cancer far younger. It helps explain why a 40 year old can drop dead from a heart attack despite no prior indications while someone else with similar genetics will live long and healthy lives.

You THINK you know what is what when it comes to scientific things, but reality is scientists are only beginning to understand how such things, like infections, lead to other diseases.

Of course you will claim Covid death happens far faster! Um, no...not for 99% of the people who get it. And if you remove pre-existing conditions that are contributing factors to Covid related deaths, well now we are talking about way below 1%.

All you are doing is pushing a Fear because you are afraid to die. Funny, last I checked, the mortality rate was 100% for everyone on Earth. You can claim Covid will kill someone faster, but we have no evidence that shows the vaccine does not decrease life expectancy long term. Someone getting vaccinated might lose their life sooner than they would have if they had not gotten the vaccine. You do not know, science does not know.

Furthermore we have no clue what will happen to future generations whether their parents were vaxxed or not. There is zero long term proof it will or will not have a negative long term effect. And because we do not know these things, the government should not claim otherwise and enforce a Mandatory Vaccination Protocol.

And you can say for most people the vaccine has been harmless. However, there is scientific proof that the vaccine has killed some people. Why should those people who will die from the vaccine be forced to get it? What other option will they have? Government Mandatory Vaccine Protocol will prevent them from getting a job without their vaccine card, or go to grocery store, or leave their house... where does the restriction begin/end?

I know they are now talking about the shot being Mandatory for children as young as 3. And you seriously think that is a logical thing? How many 3 year olds have died from Covid?

And this is what people mean by government over-reach. There is ZERO logic in doing that, well... other than increased government authority. Then there is definitely logic behind such mandates.

 

[zyxt9]

I really wish the Supreme Court would hurry up and rule against these Vaccine Mandates. We all know that will be the end result, it just is going to take too damn long, too many court cases and appeals, and too much money to make it happen first.

 

[Spartanmack]

How does one research COVID vaccines in any meaningful way to decide whether to get the shot or not?

Youtube videos?

The CDC recommends you get vaccinated (link)

as does the Mayo Clinic (link)

as does the American Medical Association (link), and they also recommend vaccine mandates (link)

Practically every public health agency or medical institution in the US recommends them, so "do your research" is such a bullshit talking point. What? You going to go back to college for an advanced degree in biology, get experience researching vaccines, then fund your own lab, collect samples, and publish your results?

It's hilarious seeing someone like you, tigermud or Sam Darnold (who was a comm major at USC, LOL) talking about "doing your research."

I'd trust a monkey in a labcoat over any of you.

you know what?s hilarious - seeing someone like you who doesn?t know shit making arguments from authority without knowing anything about the authorities you?re citing. For example, what do you know about the AMA? The AMA is a joke. Did you know the AMA does ZERO medical research?
NONE. Membership is something like 230k doctors. It?s primary purpose is controlling their MONOPOLY (you hate monopolies, right?) over the billing codes doctors and insurance companies are REQUIRED to use - and pay exorbitant fees to use them. They brought in $245mm last year up $45mm from the prior year, over 56% of their revenue from that monopoly.

They AMA spends most of it's budget on salaries and bribing congress to protect that MONOPOLY and in turn they go along with things like vaccine mandates for people who don?t need the vaccine. By the way, that MONOPOLY power comes from the government mandate thanks to their cozy relationship with DC politicians. The AMA originally opposed the ACA until Obama threatened to end their monopoly on billing codes, so they stepped in line and endorsed the law. The AMA is literally everything you hate about what you think is Capitalism but they go along with the vaccine mandate so you cite them as an authority without understanding anything about them - again, the AMA does ZERO medical research. I don?t really give a shit what the AMA says I should do - they're not an authority with any credibility.

I couldn?t possibly care less who you would trust - you?ve demonstrated a clear and consistent lack of judgement and intelligence since the first day I started posting in this forum.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Did anyone watch that address to the UN? I don't even think there were any lies in it other than the ones we were told that were given sufficient context. I don't think you could be convinced of it unless you wanted to be convinced of it. There was clearly a lot of speculation and what ifs and Hussain trying to project power being interpreted as true. No smoking guns regarding having weapons, just pursuing them.