Game 149 Tigers vs white sux Sept 17 2017

tomdalton22 · Sep 18, 2017

Mitchrapp said:
It seems in any 12-0 game, even if a no hitter wasn't on the line, it makes sense to get a replacement in there. Especially in September..

why does it make sense to have a replacement for Nick? Common sense says they need to get Nick as many reps as possible if he is going to make the move to RF.

manchild98 · Sep 18, 2017

tomdalton22 said:
why does it make sense to have a replacement for Nick? Common sense says they need to get Nick as many reps as possible if he is going to make the move to RF.

Common sense says this was probably Boyd's only chance of ever throwing a no hitter. Those 2 extra innings of work for Nick won't mean squat when we're losing 95 plus games the next 5 season's.

tomdalton22 · Sep 18, 2017

manchild98 said:
Common sense says this was probably Boyd's only chance of ever throwing a no hitter. Those 2 extra innings of work for Nick won't mean squat when we're losing 95 plus games the next 5 season's.

I was asking Mitch about his comment that they should have replaced Nick even if the no hitter wasn't on the line.

Mitchrapp · Sep 18, 2017

tomdalton22 said:
why does it make sense to have a replacement for Nick? Common sense says they need to get Nick as many reps as possible if he is going to make the move to RF.

Because it's 12-0 and one of your best hitters are out there in a blow out. What's the point in September call ups if you're not using the youngsters. 1-2 extra innings for Nick in RF won't matter.. Generally players are replaced, especially the poor defensive ones..

turok · Sep 18, 2017

tomdalton22 said:
why does it make sense to have a replacement for Nick? Common sense says they need to get Nick as many reps as possible if he is going to make the move to RF.

One or two innings of lost reps in RF pales in comparison to defensively preserving a potential no hitter. He has the rest of this season, and next preseason to further gain experience in RF, which is a much less difficult position to master than infield. Tigers are ground-up rebuilding next season, so Castellanos has no real urgency or serious competition, when it has been his bat hat has kept him in the bigs, he will never be an elite defensive outfielder, anyway.

tomdalton22 · Sep 18, 2017

Mitchrapp said:
Because it's 12-0 and one of your best hitters are out there in a blow out. What's the point in September call ups if you're not using the youngsters. 1-2 extra innings for Nick in RF won't matter.. Generally players are replaced, especially the poor defensive ones..

candy, hicks, navarro, holaday, jones, machado were already in the game. Nobody was replaced in the entire game. Nick joked about moving to RF so he wouldn't be replaced in the late innings.

As far as youngsters being used...I believe the only guys outfielders on the bench were Collins (27), Presley (32) and Romine (31). FYI, Nick is 25. He is the youngster.

Mitchrapp · Sep 18, 2017

tomdalton22 said:
candy, hicks, navarro, holaday, jones, machado were already in the game. Nobody was replaced in the entire game. Nick joked about moving to RF so he wouldn't be replaced in the late innings.

As far as youngsters being used...I believe the only guys outfielders on the bench were Collins (27), Presley (32) and Romine (31). FYI, Nick is 25. He is the youngster.

Nonetheless.. It's like stealing in a 12-0 game. You just don't do. He was replaced a lot at 3B. Is 1 inning really worth keeping him in there? Maybe he gets hurt, in a meaningless blow out? In-fact, in a game like that most guys should be replaced. If anything just for rest.. At least the everyday vets.

tomdalton22 · Sep 18, 2017

Mitchrapp said:
Nonetheless.. It's like stealing in a 12-0 game. You just don't do. He was replaced a lot at 3B. Is 1 inning really worth keeping him in there? Maybe he gets hurt, in a meaningless blow out? In-fact, in a game like that most guys should be replaced. If anything just for rest.. At least the everyday vets.

It's not like stealing in a 12-0 game. That's poor sportsmanship. This is different. The pitcher had a no hitter. The manager didn't pull a single player. That was probably by design...had a great thing going...don't change a thing. Kind of typical baseball superstition bullshit. Maybe Brad was telling Nick "thanks for being a team player and moving to the OF, I'm not pulling you"

I really don't know. I wouldn't have cared if he pulled everybody or left everybody in the game. The issue I have is people are making such a big deal out of the fact that he didn't pull Nick.

Mitchrapp · Sep 18, 2017

tomdalton22 said:
It's not like stealing in a 12-0 game. That's poor sportsmanship. This is different. The pitcher had a no hitter. The manager didn't pull a single player. That was probably by design...had a great thing going...don't change a thing. Kind of typical baseball superstition bullshit. Maybe Brad was telling Nick "thanks for being a team player and moving to the OF, I'm not pulling you"

I really don't know. I wouldn't have cared if he pulled everybody or left everybody in the game. The issue I have is people are making such a big deal out of the fact that he didn't pull Nick.

You just explained it in a nutshell "The manager didn't pull a single player.." Poor RF, in a blowout - add in no hitter dumb move. Even if not a no hitter, get someone in there who doesn't play as much, give the bench some PT. Why does Nick need to be in?

The last reason.. Because he's a poor outfielder. Did you see the route he took?

Mitchrapp · Sep 18, 2017

Btw, it's like playing Cabrera instead of giving him rest. Who the heck is making these decisions..

turok · Sep 18, 2017

tomdalton22 said:
It's not like stealing in a 12-0 game. That's poor sportsmanship. This is different. The pitcher had a no hitter. The manager didn't pull a single player. That was probably by design...had a great thing going...don't change a thing. Kind of typical baseball superstition bullshit. Maybe Brad was telling Nick "thanks for being a team player and moving to the OF, I'm not pulling you"

I really don't know. I wouldn't have cared if he pulled everybody or left everybody in the game. The issue I have is people are making such a big deal out of the fact that he didn't pull Nick.

Managers also decide where the if/of is positioned relative to a batter's spray chart. Looks like Nick was closer to the rf line, than centered. If he is traded within the next few years, I think that he would be moved to lf, then 1b, then ut/ph/dh...if his hitting ability continues/improves.

Mitchrapp · Sep 18, 2017

turok said:
Managers also decide where the if/of is positioned relative to a batter's spray chart. Looks like Nick was closer to the rf line, than centered. If he is traded within the next few years, I think that he would be moved to lf, then 1b, then ut/ph/dh...if his hitting ability continues/improves.

If Victor doesn't come back I'd put him at DH. Or 1B if Miggy goes to DH. I can't wait until Stewart comes up we can have 2 DH's in the OF.

tomdalton22 · Sep 18, 2017

Mitchrapp said:
You just explained it in a nutshell "The manager didn't pull a single player.." Poor RF, in a blowout - add in no hitter dumb move. Even if not a no hitter, get someone in there who doesn't play as much, give the bench some PT. Why does Nick need to be in?

The last reason.. Because he's a poor outfielder. Did you see the route he took?

did you look at the starting lineup? It was FULL of players that don't play much...lol

Hicks
vavarro
holaday
jones
machado

tomdalton22 · Sep 18, 2017

Mitchrapp said:
If Victor doesn't come back I'd put him at DH. Or 1B if Miggy goes to DH. I can't wait until Stewart comes up we can have 2 DH's in the OF.

I think Victor is done.

Mitchrapp · Sep 18, 2017

tomdalton22 said:
did you look at the starting lineup? It was FULL of players that don't play much...lol

Hicks
vavarro
holaday
jones
machado

And there were some that don't sitting on the bench. Who says there are limits of how many you can replace in the late innings..

tomdalton22 · Sep 18, 2017

Mitchrapp said:
And there were some that don't sitting on the bench. Who says there are limits of how many you can replace in the late innings..

who was on the bench that should have been in the game. Tyler Collins?

Mitchrapp · Sep 18, 2017

tomdalton22 said:
who was on the bench that should have been in the game. Tyler Collins?

In the late innings, sure why now. How about the others you mentioned. Presley, Lettuce.. It was 12-0.

dale675 · Sep 18, 2017

Mitchrapp said:
I can't wait until Stewart comes up we can have 2 DH's in the OF.

Maybe they can coax Delmon Young to come back and finish off the trifecta. LOL

Mitchrapp · Sep 18, 2017

dale675 said:
Maybe they can coax Delmon Young to come back and finish off the trifecta. LOL

He was fun to watch. Agonizingly fun.

Mitchrapp · Sep 18, 2017

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