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Game 162 Tigers @ twins Sunday Oct 01 2017 3:10 pm EST

turok

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Tigers:

1) Presley, Alex LF

2) Romine, Andrew 2B

3) Castellanos, Nicholas RF

4) Candelario, Jeimer 3B

5) Navarro, Efren 1B

6) Hicks, John DH

7) Holiday, Bryan C

8) Jones, JaCoby CF

9) Machado, Dixon SS


SP Snatchez, Gopherbal


twinks:

1) blowsier, fryin 2b

2) moaner, crow 1b

3) plinko, gorge sos

4) rosacea, ruddy lf

5) insano, figgie duh

6) tittybar, doodoo 3b

7) suxton, cryin cf

8) gashole, cason c

9) grosscan, slobbie rf


sp colonic, fartolo


Last regular-season game might be delayed/cancelled by rain, apparently
 
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4-1 twinks lead after 6.

This will be the Tigers 3rd finish in the ALCD cellar in the past 10 years, and 5th since moving to Comerica from the late Tiger Stadium. Although they cannot lose 100+ games this season, the same cannot be said for '18 or even '19 teams. It appears that what passes for the franchise's braintrust and ownership are committed to rebuilding from within, and although their farm system has improved somewhat of late, it is still very thin and sparse, and has few players who are anywhere near MLB ready. Even fewer who project to be future stars, much less superstars.

Any Tigers team who winds up losing 90+ games is very hard to watch regularly, but when the losses mount to potentially 100+, then that is where I draw the line, and will only check on them occasionally and peripherally.
 
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Who is playing all nine positions today?

Is it a Atanis Ilitch?

I was in some theater productions with him back in the early 80s at the University of Michigan and we did a number of choreographed stage combat scenes.

He was pretty agile and I think he could play all nine baseball positions but he is in his mid-50s by now.

But I would bet he could probably still pull it off.
 
twinks have had a piss-poor record in the postseason for many years, but I will root for them to win their WC game vs stanks and in the ALDS vs the tribbles, should they get that far. Want a dbacks vs astros WS, although I probably wouldn't watch much of it, and not at all if it features other teams, like tribbles vs nats, or esp redsux vs dodgers.
 
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WTG VerHagen...give up an upper deck homer to the twinks leadoff batter in the bottom 8th...5-1.

Nice catch by Machado in shallow left.
 
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64-98....buh-bye Brad.

Both the fillies (66-96) and gnats (64-98) won today, so IIRC, the Tigers "win" the #1 '18 draft MLB pick.
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Brad had Kinsler manager the last game. Why?

Doesn't take the job seriously I guess he said he sent Ian a couple of tweets and second guessed his pen moves. He's going to go surfing now
 
There?s good news, and there?s bad news.

The bad news: the Tigers lost their final game of the season.

The good news: thanks to a Pablo Sandoval walk-off in San Francisco, the Tigers ended the year with the worst record in baseball, which means they get the number one pick in the 2018 draft.

For a franchise in the early stages of a full rebuild, this is excellent news indeed.

As for the game itself, it went out much like the entirety of the Tigers season. Hopeful flashes early on, then a whole lot of nothing to write home about.

The Detroit Tigers' 2017 season is in the books.
The Detroit Tigers? season ended on Sunday afternoon. They lost to the Twins, 5-1, at Target Field. They finished the 2017 season 64-98, in last place in the American League Central division.

It was as uneventful as regular season finales without any implications were. Making what likely was his final start with the Tigers, right-hander Anibal Sanchez allowed three runs over five innings.

Alex Presley, a surprise this season, hit his third home run. He finished the season by hitting .314 in 245 at-bats. Presley is arbitration-eligible in the winter. Most likely, the Tigers will attempt to work out a deal with him before then. He certainly displayed the kind of ability to be a solid fourth outfielder next season.

The Tigers finished the year 64-98 after a 5-1 loss to the Minnesota Twins on Sunday afternoon at Target Field.

By finishing with the worst record in baseball, the Tigers will have the No. 1 overall pick in the 2018 draft. It's the first time they will draft in that position since 1997, when they selected right-handed pitcher Matt Anderson.

And boy, did they earn it, by going 6-24 in September. The last time the Tigers had the No. 1 pick was in 1997, when they selected right-hander Matt Anderson with the top pick.

Anibal Sanchez took the loss in what was likely his last start as a Tiger.
When he left the mound in the seventh inning, he received a standing ovation from fans and got a hug from Tigers first base coach Omar Vizquel, his former teammate with the Cleveland Indians.

Managerial change: In the eighth inning, manager Brad Ausmus appeared to hand over the reigns to second baseman Ian Kinsler, like Joe Torre did twice with Ausmus during his playing days with the Dodgers.

Asked to sum up it with an epitaph, manager Brad Ausmus offered up,
?Not great,? he deadpanned. ?You lose 90-some games, upper 90s, it wasn?t great. It was a combination of factors. Some guys had down years. There were injuries and then once we started trading guys, once it became a full-scale rebuild, then we were just very inexperienced, especially from a pitching standpoint.?

Ausmus said he knew this down cycle was inevitable as far back as 2015. But still, the suddenness of the crash was alarming.

?I walked in with (coach) Matt Martin today and I told him, this doesn?t shock me,? Ausmus said. ?I think people in the game saw this coming. But I think it hit a little hard this year. I don?t know if it hit sooner than expected, but it hit hard.?

The Tigers were indeed hit with a confluence of negative factors.

Miguel Cabrera strained his back in February and it would plague him all year. J.D. Martinez was injured late in spring training and was out until May 12. Father Time decided this was the year he would catch up to closer Francisco Rodriguez ? who lost his closer?s job on May 9 and was released June 23.

Designated hitter Victor Martinez, in the middle of an unproductive season, suffered an irregular heartbeat, which ultimately required an ablation procedure. His season was over at the beginning of September.

Reigning rookie of the year Michael Fulmer was shut down after ulnar nerve transposition surgery. Reliever Alex Wilson had his under-performing season ended last week when a line drive broke his leg.

James McCann, Jose Iglesias, Daniel Norris, Jordan Zimmermann, Ian Kinsler, Mikie Mahtook and Anibal Sanchez all spent time on the disabled list, as well.

Sanchez, Norris and Matthew Boyd endured demotions to Triple-A.

Kinsler, by his standards, underperformed, hitting .236.

?It seemed like it was one thing or another,? said Alex Presley, who became a regular in the Tigers after Martinez and Upton were traded. ?It seemed like it was never all together. It felt like we were never really ever at full strength.?

Then the decision was made to start stripping parts and preparing for the inevitable ? not a retooling, not a partial rebuild, but a full-scale rebuilding project.
J.D. Martinez was traded on July 18,
Justin Wilson and Alex Avila on July 31.
Then, on Aug. 31, Justin Upton and Justin Verlander were traded.

The Tigers, who never experienced a winning month this season, went 6-23 in the final month (17-40 since Aug.1).

?It?s a really sad feeling,? general manager Al Avila said before the finale Sunday. ?I?ve been here for a long time and I?ve enjoyed the fruits of playoffs and good season, and certain attachments to players. It?s a bad feeling.
?But you have to snap out of it and move forward. We are at that point right now.?

The record books will judge this Tigers season by the 98 losses. Organizationally, though, it will be viewed as a strong first step toward building the next wave of contending teams. Especially with the chance to draft a franchise-type talent next spring.

?It?s almost like a death,? Avila said. ?You mourn, then you come out of it. Now you are ready to live again. That?s an exaggeration, but it?s kind of like that. For myself, my staff and our scouts, we?re very excited about a brand-new opportunity to revive this organization.?

To this point, the Tigers could shed close to $189 million in future payroll.
The trades of Upton and Verlander lopped $147 million off the books.
Another $14 million is coming off the books in salary paid to Mike Pelfrey and Mark Lowe.
They are expected to buy out their option on Anibal Sanchez, who took the loss Sunday, which will save $11 million.

If Kinsler and Jose Iglesias are traded in the offseason, which is likely, that?s another $17 million gone.

And the trades put some meat on the bones of what had been a skeletal minor league system. Between the trades and the draft, the Tigers added eight prospects who currently rank among the organization?s top 16, including No. 1 prospect Franklin Perez, who they got in the Verlander trade.

?From the trade deadline on, it?s been very productive as far as restocking the farm system,? Avila said. ?That, with the changes we?ve made moving forward, it?s been very productive. It?s been a pretty good jump start, to tell you the truth.
?I wish we were at the end already, but I think we are on a good path.?

By the end of the season, eight players made their big-league debuts this season (Victor Alcantara, Chad Bell, Myles Jaye, Joe Jimenez, Jairo Labourt, Arcenio Leon, Artie Lewicki and Zac Reininger.

?It?s been a nightmare, but we?ve got to learn from this,? said Cabrera, who played his last game on Sept. 23 and produced career-lows in average, home runs, RBIs and slugging percentage. ?After this season, we have to sit back and think about it and learn. See what I do bad and what I can do better to have a better season next year.?

It?s not likely to be much better next year. Cabrera and Martinez will come into camp next season as question marks because of their health and age. There is a chance the Tigers might buy out the final year of Martinez?s contract ($18 million).

If Kinsler is traded, McCann and Nick Castellanos would likely be added to the leadership circle that includes Cabrera, Fulmer and Wilson.

?For sure it?s been rough,? said Castellanos, whose 26-home run, 101-RBI season was a highlight. ?But everybody here is going through the process of finding themselves and figuring out what works for them to be a big-league player. It?s difficult, especially when you have a lot of guys trying to do that at the same time.?

Said McCann: ?We?re trying to create a new culture here. This is a completely different team than we had when we left spring training. We?ve been trying this last month to build relationships and carry over what we can do the rest of this year into next year.
?Why wait until spring training to create that culture? Why not start now??

The new manager will inherit a young and thinned-out roster.

The rotation for next season, as it stands now, will likely be Fulmer, Jordan Zimmermann, Boyd and Norris. Avila has indicated the club could search for a marginally priced veteran starter, as well.

If Iglesias is moved, Dixon Machado would likely move to shortstop. Jeimer Candelario will have the inside track on the third base job. Second base would be an open competition.

Castellanos will likely remain in right field. Mahtook and JaCoby Jones should also factor into the outfield equation.

The Tigers will have to make a decision on Presley, who hit his third home run of the season Sunday and finished the season hitting .317. He has a minor-league option left. The Tigers could release him and try to sign him back on a minor-league deal.

But with his production this season, he may have better options.

As for Ausmus, he said he is leaving with no regrets.
?I?m not relieved by it, I?m not happy about it and I?m not unhappy about it,? he said. ?It just feels like the last game.?

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/tigers-...519#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=492519
Boxscore.

Blaine Hardy and Drew VerHagen gave up the other two runs in the game, both of them home runs, and Joe Jimenez came on in between them for a clean inning of work with two strikeouts. Hopefully Jimenez can find his footing in the offseason and come back as the player everyone hoped he would be this year. The raw talent is certainly there.

JaCoby Jones and Bryan Holaday both had two hit days.

And so the Tigers 2017 season has come to an end, not with a bang, but a whimper.
 
They better get better than Matt Anderson.. Man, was he awful.
 
Yeah I agree go with a college player so we don't lose a player to college !!!!
 
1. College over High Schooler. A must.

2. Positional player over a pitcher.
 
Did Bad Ausmess have to book his own travel back to Detroit?
 
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