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Tiger Payroll Purgatory

It's save to say that CI is more concerned about the bottom line than the Mendoza Line. And that he'll never spend his way to a championship like his father tried to do. That the Tigers fell short is additional incentive for him to feel like he won something by earning a record $31 million in profits in 2021, according to Forbes.

His dad didn't spend right away.
 
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2022/12/28/the-payroll-poll-2/
THE PAYROLL POLL Part Two.
Totally Tigers

Let?s continue the series of payroll polls we started yesterday. The first poll was focused on Mets owner Steve Cohen and his willingness to spend whatever it takes to win a ring. So far, it?s $384 mill and counting. And no, it doesn?t include the salary for Carlos Correa. Yet.

If you missed that poll, you can still vote today before the survey ends.

THE PAYROLL POLL.
Now let?s turn to whether or not MLB should add a hard minimum and/or maximum payroll limits. Currently, there are financial penalties for going over a payroll of $233 million. However, some teams are avoiding having to pay the tax by restructuring contracts with players over a longer length of time in order to drive down the AAV (Average Annual Value) which is used in calculating the luxury tax.

Last year, 4 teams went over the luxury tax threshold. Three additional teams spent over $200 mill but just under the luxury tax.

Seven other teams spent between the average MLB payroll ($151 mill) and under $200 mill.

Eight teams had payrolls just under baseball?s average and above $100 mill.

Six teams are listed with payrolls ranging from $50 mill to just under $100 mill. And the final 2 teams had total salaries ranging from $44 mill to $48 mill.

All 14 teams with payrolls above the MLB average are located within major cities. The remaining 16 teams with payrolls under the average all are considered secondary markets except for Washington, DC. They are currently tearing down and rebuilding.

The 4 teams paying luxury tax are spending anywhere from 5 times as much or at least double that of one-third of MLB?s teams. Overspending 10 other teams.

Through these statistics, you could say that the 30 franchises are divided into 5 different spending categories:

Spending over the suggested soft cap.
Spending just under the cap but above MLB?s average payroll.
Spending under MLB?s average payroll but over $100 mill.
Spending under $100 mill.
Hardly spending at all.

Should MLB impose some form of spending limits? A maximum? A minimum? Both?

Tell us by voting. But please remember to keep comments focused on the caps. We?ll discuss what the Tigers should do in tomorrow?s blog.

Should MLB impose actual salary caps?

1. Yes, both minimum and maximum.

2. Yes, but just a mimimum payroll.

3. Yes, but just a maximum payroll.

4. No.

VOTE
 
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2022/12/29/the-payroll-poll-3/
THE PAYROLL POLL Part Three.
Totally Tigers

Let?s conclude the 3-part series on payroll in baseball.

The first poll was focused on Mets owner Steve Cohen and his willingness to spend whatever it takes to win a ring. Yesterday, we explored what each team was spending, especially those shelling out the most and the least. We asked the question as to whether MLB should install salary caps. If you missed that poll, you have today only to vote before that survey also ends.

Now let?s turn to the Detroit Tigers and their payroll.

For the first 13 years of owning the team, Mike Ilitch spent sparingly on the Tigers. Upon hiring Dave Dombrowski back in 2022, the Tigers increased payroll significantly almost every year. The team went from $54 mill to $212 mill during his tenure. Most of that time, the Tigers ranked within the top 5 of team payrolls. Often sitting at #2 or #3.

While that money fueled multiple division titles and October baseball, it failed the ultimate test ? a World Series trophy. The Tigers won only 1 game out of 2 WS appearances.

And despite attracting large attendance numbers, the Tigers operated in the red for the last 10 years of Dombrowski?s tenure.

Due mostly to contracts that increasingly got expensive, Opening Day payroll continued to climb for the Tigers in 2016 and 2017 while the team slid backwards in the standings. Because of those 2 factors, the Tigers were pushed into a tear down that lasted 5 years and a rebuild that has yet to take off.
They now hold the record for the team with the longest playoff drought.

Last year was the first one since 2017-18 that the Tigers grew their payroll. Chris Ilitch ranked 3rd in spending the most money for the 2022 season but it was not spent well by his former GM, Al Avila.

The Tigers sit at #18 in payroll for the 2022 season with $136 mill. They were $14 mill below the average MLB payroll.

The White Sox are over $200 mill. The Twins are just slightly ahead of the Tigers by $13 mill.

The Tigers are significantly outspending the Royals and Indians. It is way too soon to put a dollar amount on this year?s payroll.

Where should the Tigers be sitting in payroll for the near future? How much do they need in order to become competitive?

Or is a solid organization more of a factor in how successful a team becomes?

How much is enough without putting the team?s future in jeopardy and risking another tear down?

Consider all of this ? and more ? when you think about how much this organization should invest.

Tell us by voting.

What should the Tigers' payroll be for the near future?

1. $203 million (White Sox) or more.

2. Less than $200 million but more than MLB average of $151 million.

3. Within the neighborhood of MLB average $151 million.

4. Similar to current $136 million payroll.

5. Less than $136 million payroll (Royals and Indians spending significantly less).

VOTE
 
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2023/07/11/watercooler-wednesday-93/
WATERCOOLER WEDNESDAY.
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Today, another opportunity for readers to discuss the hottest topics in a forum where thoughtful dialog and a variety of opinions are welcomed.

Let?s create some running conversational threads. And for those of you back in actual offices, here?s a question to take with you ? or use via Zoom ? as you talk to your co-workers.

Here is today?s topic??..

By the end of this season, the Detroit Tigers will be shedding at least 1 significant contract ? Miguel Cabrera?s. It is also expected that Eduardo Rodriguez will be changing teams this year.

The Tigers have many holes to fill for the 2024 season and it is expected that they will be making a bigger investment in player salaries.

But how much should they spend?

There are 2 ways of looking at payroll ? the pattern seen in MLB overall and the payrolls of the AL Central. Let?s look at both.

Considering that payrolls fluctuate over the course of a year, we?ll look at the 2022 figures, considering that the final totals aren?t yet in for 2023.

The average payroll of MLB teams was $150 mill in 2022.

Out of the top 10 payrolls, 2 of those teams, the Red Sox ($212 mill) and the White Sox ($203 mill) did not make the playoffs.

Here?s who did with their corresponding payrolls:

AL

Cleveland $66 mill

Houston $182 mill

NY Yankees $252 mill

Seattle $116 mill

Tampa Bay $98 mill

Toronto $177 mill

NL

Atlanta $183 mill

LA $265 mill

NY Mets $268 mill

Philadelphia $242 mill

St. Louis $156 mill

San Diego $224 mill

Now, let?s look at the AL Central:

White Sox $203 mill

Twins $149 mill

Tigers $136 mill

Royals $93 mill

Guardians $66 mill

This year, the Tigers are currently sitting at $125 mill in payroll. A slight decrease from last year due to the DFA?ing of 16+ players. This year?s payroll could continue to go up or down depending upon trades, bonuses and incentives written into contracts.

From approximately 2006 through 2017, the Tigers routinely ranked #2 to #4 in MLB payrolls under Dave Dombrowski. And this year, the NY Mets? payroll currently sits at $363 mill with them 6 games under .500 and 18.5 games out of first place. From both of these experiences, we know that the largest payrolls are no guarantee of success in October ? or even during the season.

The Tigers now have a new Front Office and a new way of doing business. For the first time in decades, they are putting a focus on developing home grown talent. They are moving away from Mike Ilitch?s strategy of buying a team.

So how much should the Tigers? payroll be for the 2024 season given all of the information posted above?

Are they ready to spend a lot more given Cabrera?s retirement?

Or do they need to go more slowly given that the team is nowhere close to being in contention next year? Should they strategically add some solid talent next year and then build up from there going forward?

Is it necessary for them to be one of the top spenders when the rest of the AL Central isn?t spending much more?
What should they spend?

What should the Tigers spend on payroll for the 2024 season?

1. $225+ million

2. $200 - $225 mill

3. $175 - $200 mill

4. $150 - $175 mill

5. $125 - $150 mill

6. $100 - $125 mill

7. $100 mill or less

VOTE
 
Tigers 2024 opening day payroll is projected to be $61,705,000.

That ranks 27th of 30 MLB teams.

Tigers top 12 salaries in 2023
Cabrera 32M, retired
Baez 22M, staying
E Rod 14 M, Free Agent
Boyd 10M, FA
Lorenzen 8M, traded
Schoop 7.1M, released
Meadows 4.3M, non tendered
Cisnero 2.3M, FA
Turnbull 2.15M, non tender
Alexander 1.9M DFA
Shreve- 1.25M released
Wingenter 1M- DFA
 
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DEEPER DISCUSSIONS.
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Much of the buzz this Hot Stove season is about Shohei Ohtani and which team will win the bidding war for his services.

Multiple reports have him landing a contract somewhere in the neighborhood of $500+ mill.

That figure is more than double the entire payroll of the top-spending teams not named the Mets. And when you land a player with that kind of contract, you must keep spending on other players to fill out the roster.

Simply adding a player like Ohtani is not enough if you still have holes in your lineup.

But is adding a mega contract a wise move? Does it help or end up hurting a team?

The Detroit Tigers had a number of large contracts with the biggest ones going to Miguel Cabrera and Justin Verlander. Cabrera became untradeable and the Tigers actually paid another team to take JV?s contract off their hands.

As Detroit continues its rebuild, would you want to see them add another long-term significant contract in an effort to win that ring?

Would you risk having that contract eventually limit the team?s payroll and further acquisition of players?

Today?s blog addresses this dilemma and allows readers to share their thoughts in more detail. And hopefully, to actively engage with others by responding to their posts and creating back-and-forth discussion threads. The more the merrier!

For this one blog only, you?ve got 6 sentences max to share your thoughts. Of course, you can also respond to other readers.

TT will supply the ammunition. One thought-provoking question. Several options provided. One hard choice to be selected. One vote.

Ready?

Would you want to see the Tigers add another long-term significant contract to their payroll in the future?

Should the Tigers add another long-term very expensive contract to their payroll in the future?

1. Yes, willing to take the risk for a ring.

2. No, been there, done that.

VOTE
 
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2024/02/01/five-for-friday-102/
FIVE FOR FRIDAY.
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With the news of the Colt Keith contract, there has been discussion about what other Tigers may be signed to an extended contract while their careers are still in the early stages.

Of course, Spencer Torkelson’s name has come up. If you discount the concerns over his defensive skills, there is one huge reason why the Tigers won’t give him a similar deal.

Scott Boras, his agent.

Boras is on the record saying that he is against what are considered to be team-friendly contracts. His job is to get his clients as much money as he can.

And he’s very, very good at it. Boras takes almost every single client of his to free agency. His m.o. is to create demand and a bidding war between multiple teams in order to drive the price up.

You know the Tigers have to be thinking which of their perceived building blocks will be leaving the team once they hit free agency.

There are a couple, like Kerry Carpenter and Parker Meadows who do not have agents as of yet. But that can change.

But if we look at the current 40-man roster, as well as a list of their top prospects, which of these players is repped by Scott Boras?

Here is a list of the top 5:.....
 
Detroit Tigers 2024 Payroll.
An updated look at the Detroit Tigers 2024 payroll table, including base pay, bonuses, options, & tax allocations.
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