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Tigers discussing trade with rockies

durtymrclean said:
Matt Holliday turned out alright ever since the Cards got him from the Rockies...
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COL traded Holliday to OAK for CarGo and Huston Street. It was OAK that then traded Holliday to STL as a trade deadline deal. Holliday was in the last year of his contract.

Holliday last 3 years in COL (ages 26-28)

Home 162.2 RC/650 .361 BAVG .430 OBP .669 SLG 1.099 OPS 12.4 PA/BB

Away 104.8 RC/650 .296 BAVG .370 OBP .486 SLG .856 OPS 11.3 PA/BB


Holiday first 3 years after COL (ages 29-31)

Home 118.9 RC/650 .309 BAVG .401 OBP .540 SLG .941 OPS 9.6 PA/BB

Away 112.0 RC/650 .307 BAVG .380 OBP .507 SLG .887 OPS 11.1 PA/BB


Holliday's away stats in COL and away from COL are very much within tolerance and his stats reflect an All Star caliber player.


Last 3 years Away

J.D. Martinez 105.6 RC/650 .300 BAVG .347 OBP .508 SLG .855 OPS 17.9 PA/BB

C. Granderson 101.0 RC/650 .258 BAVG .364 OBP .455 SLG .819 OPS 7.4 PA/BB

R. Raburn 93.9 RC/650 .258 BAVG .331 OBP .503 SLG .834 OPS 12.9 PA/BB

Y. Cespedes 90.9 RC/650 .272 BAVG .312 OBP .504 SLG .816 OPS 23.0 PA/BB

J. Upton 86.2 RC/650 .246 BAVG .331 OBP .439 SLG .770 OPS 9.6 PA/BB

C. Gonzalez 85.9 RC/650 .251 BAVG .305 OBP .475 SLG .780 OPS 15.1 PA/BB


AVG MLB RF 76.8 RC/650 .255 BAVG .317 OBP .410 SLG .727 OPS 13.7 PA/BB

AVG MLB LF 74.7 RC/650 .252 BAVG .316 OBP .399 SLG .715 OPS 13.5 PA/BB

AVG MLB CF 74.5 RC/650 .254 BAVG .316 OBP .389 SLG .705 OPS 13.7 PA/BB


C. Dickerson 69.7 RC/650 .249 BAVG .286 OBP .410 SLG .696 OPS 21.8 PA/BB

C. Blackmon 69.1 RC/650 .248 BAVG .291 OBP .386 SLG .677 OPS 23.5 PA/BB

R. Davis 66.5 RC/650 .253 BAVG .302 OBP .361 SLG .663 OPS 16.2 PA/BB

A. Gose 58.3 RC/650 .233 BAVG .297 OBP .336 SLG .633 OPS 13.0 PA/BB

C. Maybin 54.6 RC/650 .232 BAVG .283 OBP .337 SLG .620 OPS 16.1 PA/BB


Citing that certain players are better than Gose, Maybin or even Rajai Davis is folly. When you have the worst hitting outfielders in baseball, there isn't anywhere to go but up. Keep in mind DET traded for Gose after the 2014 season. They traded for Maybin after the 2015 season. Trading for any COL OFer is following that mode and does not improve the Tigers significantly to warrant such a thing.
 
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Rebbiv said:
COL traded Holliday to OAK for CarGo and Huston Street. It was OAK that then traded Holliday to STL as a trade deadline deal. Holliday was in the last year of his contract.

Holliday last 3 years in COL (ages 26-28)

Home 162.2 RC/650 .361 BAVG .430 OBP .669 SLG 1.099 OPS 12.4 PA/BB

Away 104.8 RC/650 .296 BAVG .370 OBP .486 SLG .856 OPS 11.3 PA/BB


Holiday first 3 years after COL (ages 29-31)

Home 118.9 RC/650 .309 BAVG .401 OBP .540 SLG .941 OPS 9.6 PA/BB

Away 112.0 RC/650 .307 BAVG .380 OBP .507 SLG .887 OPS 11.1 PA/BB


Holliday's away stats in COL and away from COL are very much within tolerance and his stats reflect an All Star caliber player.


Last 3 years Away

J.D. Martinez 105.6 RC/650 .300 BAVG .347 OBP .508 SLG .855 OPS 17.9 PA/BB

C. Granderson 101.0 RC/650 .258 BAVG .364 OBP .455 SLG .819 OPS 7.4 PA/BB

R. Raburn 93.9 RC/650 .258 BAVG .331 OBP .503 SLG .834 OPS 12.9 PA/BB

Y. Cespedes 90.9 RC/650 .272 BAVG .312 OBP .504 SLG .816 OPS 23.0 PA/BB

J. Upton 86.2 RC/650 .246 BAVG .331 OBP .439 SLG .770 OPS 9.6 PA/BB

C. Gonzalez 85.9 RC/650 .251 BAVG .305 OBP .475 SLG .780 OPS 15.1 PA/BB


AVG MLB RF 76.8 RC/650 .255 BAVG .317 OBP .410 SLG .727 OPS 13.7 PA/BB

AVG MLB LF 74.7 RC/650 .252 BAVG .316 OBP .399 SLG .715 OPS 13.5 PA/BB

AVG MLB CF 74.5 RC/650 .254 BAVG .316 OBP .389 SLG .705 OPS 13.7 PA/BB


C. Dickerson 69.7 RC/650 .249 BAVG .286 OBP .410 SLG .696 OPS 21.8 PA/BB

C. Blackmon 69.1 RC/650 .248 BAVG .291 OBP .386 SLG .677 OPS 23.5 PA/BB

R. Davis 66.5 RC/650 .253 BAVG .302 OBP .361 SLG .663 OPS 16.2 PA/BB

A. Gose 58.3 RC/650 .233 BAVG .297 OBP .336 SLG .633 OPS 13.0 PA/BB

C. Maybin 54.6 RC/650 .232 BAVG .283 OBP .337 SLG .620 OPS 16.1 PA/BB


Citing that certain players are better than Gose, Maybin or even Rajai Davis is folly. When you have the worst hitting outfielders in baseball, there isn't anywhere to go but up. Keep in mind DET traded for Gose after the 2014 season. They traded for Maybin after the 2015 season. Trading for any COL OFer is following that mode and does not improve the Tigers significantly to warrant such a thing.
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The scary thing about the coors effect is power loss, not necessarily obp loss. I see a consistency in Cargo's power since he has a .224 Iso on the road. Cargo's power is for real, everything else, not so much. Do the tigers want to trade for a rich man's delmon young is not up to me though.
 
Cargo's away numbers scare me. Either one of the other Rockies Or'ers I am fine with as long as they are giving them away for nothing.
 
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