I know nothing about the 3 prospects so I'll keep my trap shut. Arizona could sure use JD with their recent struggles.. At least I get to watch him.

The haul just feels light to me. Hopefully it will work out. Not sure why it was done so soon ? Maybe AA's inexperience. I really thought we would get more for JD. I have no clue if these kids are any good but I like the sound of trying to resign JD. The team needs a totally restructuring from top to bottom. We need to revamp the scouting and total baseball philosophy all the way around.

We aren't out of it yet haha , imagine making a big run and trading big chips ?! Could we tiger fans ever get so lucky ? Guys like Mahtook , Aducci and Boyd lead us to the promise land !!

Rebbiv said:

Alcantara is probably going to be a better major leaguer than Lugo. Lugo absolutely cannot take a walk. Wait...just the right player for this team ideology. Swing first....then strikeout.

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Oh geesh say that ain't so, like we need more of that hack approach

pr0tege said:

You know what's crazy is listening to JD's reaction to the trade and making mention Detroit is his home and always will be I wouldn't rule out him making a return at a hometown discount.

Although I personally believe they would have to be able to move Upton's contract beforehand but you never know. Don't think I have ever seen a player as visably upset as JD was today.

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Could happen after all we got Razor Ramon back after the Guillen trade.

Feels light but at least Avila is trying to build something. JD is a rental. We weren't getting #1 prospects for him. I don't care how good his bat is. Lugo is the real deal for fun. Alcantara is a prospect and King is a baby. We won't know for a few yrs on him anyways. Learn the business and you'll understand why he made the trade...

Just to put into perspective Lugo was traded 2 years ago by Toronto for Cliff Pennington!!!! Now 2 years later he is the center piece that obtained JD? Lol.

Oh yeah let's also not forget the Dodgers offer in the off-season of Bellinger for JD/Kinsler that Kinsler wouldn't accept because of the wanted extension.

nsonnett14 said:

Of course you cherry pick the one stat thats a somewhat negative lol ...so typical

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Cherry Pick? LOL!!!

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2...mondbacks-martinez-tigers-lugo-alcantara-king
MLB trade deadline: Diamondbacks acquire J.D. Martinez from Tigers for trio of prospects.
Either the Diamondbacks made out like bandits (and the Tigers got fleeced), or there?s something we don?t know.
BeyondTheBoxscore

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/projecting-the-prospects-in-the-j-d-martinez-trade/
Projecting the Prospects in the J.D. Martinez trade.
Fangraphs

Minor league stats (for prospective)

Kris Bryant .327 BAVG .426 OBP .667 SLG 1.092 OPS 8.4 PA/BB

Jake Lamb .321 BAVG .408 OBP .552 SLG .960 OPS 8.7 PA/BB

Evan Longoria .296 BAVG .385 OBP .528 SLG .913 OPS 9.9 PA/BB

**Christin Stewart .267 BAVG .372 OBP .521 SLG .893 OPS 8.0 PA/BB

Corey Seager .307 BAVG .368 OBP .523 SLG .891 OPS 12.6 PA/BB

Carlos Correa .313 BAVG .392 OBP .491 SLG .883 OPS 10.0 PA/BB

Kyle Seager .328 BAVG .401 OBP .474 SLG .875 OPS 9.7 PA/BB

Xander Bogaerts .296 BAVG .373 OBP .489 SLG .862 OPS 10.1 PA/BB

Devon Travis (ex DET) .317 BAVG .381 OBP .474 SLG .855 OPS 11.9 PA/BB

Trea Turner .316 BAVG .380 OBP .460 SLG .840 OPS 11.0 PA/BB

Rafael Devers .295 BAVG .354 OBP .481 SLG .835 OPS 13.5 PA/BB

Nolan Arenado .300 BAVG .345 OBP .473 SLG .818 OPS 16.0 PA/BB

Justin Turner .308 BAVG .373 OBP .441 SLG .814 OPS 12.4 PA/BB

N. Castellanos .303 BAVG .359 OBP .445 SLG .804 OPS 13.3 PA/BB

Travis Shaw .261 BAVG .359 OBP .445 SLG .804 OPS 8.2 PA/BB

Jean Segura .310 BAVG .365 OBP .435 SLG .800 OPS 15.1 PA/BB

Manny Machado .269 BAVG .349 OBP .442 SLG .791 OPS 10.1 PA/BB

Eugenio Suarez (ex DET) .276 BAVG .361 OBP .417 SLG .778 OPS 10.7 PA/BB

Willy Adames (ex DET) .265 BAVG .364 OBP .408 SLG .772 OPS 7.8 PA/BB

Francisco Lindor .279 BAVG .354 OBP .384 SLG .738 OPS 10.6 PA/BB

Brandon Crawford .268 BAVG .332 OBP .405 SLG .737 OPS 12.7 PA/BB


D. Lugo .277 BAVG .308 OBP .397 SLG .705 OPS 26.1 PA/BB

J. McCann .265 BAVG .315 OBP .374 SLG .689 OPS 18.0 PA/BB

S. Alcantara .255 BAVG .343 OBP .322 SLG .665 OPS 8.6 PA/BB

Hernan Perez (ex DET) .264 BAVG .305 OBP .359 SLG .664 OPS 19.4 PA/BB

D. Machado .246 BAVG .323 OBP .317 SLG .640 OPS 10.7 PA/BB

pr0tege said:

Just to put into perspective Lugo was traded 2 years ago by Toronto for Cliff Pennington!!!! Now 2 years later he is the center piece that obtained JD? Lol.

Oh yeah let's also not forget the Dodgers offer in the off-season of Bellinger for JD/Kinsler that Kinsler wouldn't accept because of the wanted extension.

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I don't remember that trade offer. Too bad. Kinsler should have accepted...he would could have been on a WS contender vs a shitty team.

Does anyone have any confidence in the front office that is presently deconstructing this ball club has the wherewithall (sic) to build it back up? Not me. If the Tigers are going to turn into the Minnesota Twins the A's of the early 2000s after all the big contracts are gone, I will not appreciate that, especially since Avila and Co would not even be able to develop "our guys" players as well as the Twins and As did. So, we are stuck with an inexpensive team going nowhere.

Absolutely unacceptable haul for a solid player.

Avila should be canned.

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Does anyone have any confidence in the front office that is presently deconstructing this ball club has the wherewithall (sic) to build it back up? Not me. If the Tigers are going to turn into the Minnesota Twins the A's of the early 2000s after all the big contracts are gone, I will not appreciate that, especially since Avila and Co would not even be able to develop "our guys" players as well as the Twins and As did. So, we are stuck with an inexpensive team going nowhere.

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None.

This is why letting DD go was an absolute joke.

If the Tigers weren't going to try to sign JD before he hit FA, dunno why he would be upset at all about whether he was traded midseason, since he will inevitably be leaving via FA off-season anyway. I don't see this franchise being any better than mediocre in a mediocre division anyway, for the remainder of this decade. Might as well fire sale, and get rid of their FO, some scouts, the manager and coaching staff, and concentrate mainly on rebuilding their long moribund farm system.

This area is a mid-market supporting economy @ best, and their payroll needs to reflect that.

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Does anyone have any confidence in the front office that is presently deconstructing this ball club has the wherewithall (sic) to build it back up? Not me. If the Tigers are going to turn into the Minnesota Twins the A's of the early 2000s after all the big contracts are gone, I will not appreciate that, especially since Avila and Co would not even be able to develop "our guys" players as well as the Twins and As did. So, we are stuck with an inexpensive team going nowhere.

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I have ZERO confidence in Avila and co. Hopefully they will all be fired before too long. This team is going to be terrible in the near future if Avila and Co. are left in charge. Mr. I screwed up BIG TIME not allowing DD to complete the re-build 2 years ago.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2017/07/19/detroit-tigers-jd-martinez-trade/491015001/
Did the Detroit Tigers get enough for J.D. Martinez? Scouts sound off.
Freep

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-lessons-of-the-j-d-martinez-trade/
The Lessons of the J.D. Martinez Trade.
Fangraphs

http://detroitjockcity.com/2017/07/...-martinez-arizona-diamondbacks-modest-return/
Detroit Tigers trade J.D. Martinez to Arizona Diamondbacks for modest return.
DJC

Al Avila is an incompetent G.M.
Look at the players Dave Dombrowski got for trading Cespedes and Price.
Avila could have also waited out with 12/13 days left in the trade deadline another team comes in with a better package.
This team has a bad front office, terrible scouts hyping prospects in the 40/45 range of the 20/80 scale.
Case in point re: scouts, who was the scout who said to give Pelfrey 2 years.
With a supposed leap into sabermetrics, called Caesar, why would the Tigers take players with bad obp?

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Does anyone have any confidence in the front office that is presently deconstructing this ball club has the wherewithall (sic) to build it back up? Not me. If the Tigers are going to turn into the Minnesota Twins the A's of the early 2000s after all the big contracts are gone, I will not appreciate that, especially since Avila and Co would not even be able to develop "our guys" players as well as the Twins and As did. So, we are stuck with an inexpensive team going nowhere.

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All 3 have one thing in common, no WS title in a long time. I'm sure those 2 don't want to be us, big payroll and no title. I would like a smaller payroll. What would be the point of trading JD if that's not the thought? He was our best player and one of the younger ones.

DET 40-man Roster + 2017 Players = Career Minor league stats (for prospective)


J.D. Martinez .328 BAVG .389 OBP .542 SLG .931 OPS 13.2 PA/BB

**Christin Stewart .267 BAVG .372 OBP .521 SLG .893 OPS 8.0 PA/BB

V. Martinez .319 BAVG .391 OBP .487 SLG .879 OPS 10.7 PA/BB

I. Kinsler .299 BAVG .386 OBP .492 SLG .878 OPS 11.3 PA/BB

J. Upton .288 BAVG .373 OBP .481 SLG .854 OPS 9.4 PA/BB

N. Castellanos .303 BAVG .359 OBP .445 SLG .804 OPS 13.3 PA/BB

A. Avila .283 BAVG .373 OBP .425 SLG .798 OPS 8.1 PA/BB

M. Cabrera .286 BAVG .350 OBP .431 SLG .781 OPS 13.2 PA/BB

A. Presley .290 BAVG .350 OBP .426 SLG .776 OPS 12.7 PA/BB


J. Jones .264 BAVG .329 OBP .436 SLG .765 OPS 13.0 PA/BB

J. Hicks .285 BAVG .329 OBP .423 SLG .752 OPS 17.9 PA/BB

T. Collins .259 BAVG .333 OBP .415 SLG .748 OPS 11.0 PA/BB

M. Mahtook .272 BAVG .338 OBP .410 SLG .748 OPS 14.0 PA/BB

J. Adducci .285 BAVG .357 OBP .384 SLG .741 OPS 10.6 PA/BB

A. Romine .279 BAVG .354 OBP .367 SLG .721 OPS 11.0 PA/BB


D. Lugo .277 BAVG .308 OBP .397 SLG .705 OPS 26.1 PA/BB

J. McCann .265 BAVG .315 OBP .374 SLG .689 OPS 18.0 PA/BB

S. Alcantara .255 BAVG .343 OBP .322 SLG .665 OPS 8.6 PA/BB

D. Machado .246 BAVG .323 OBP .317 SLG .640 OPS 10.7 PA/BB

J. Iglesias .259 BAVG .308 OBP .319 SLG .627 OPS 17.00 PA/BB

looks like Christin Stewart will be in RF next year