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Cabrera became my Idol years ago...

hellifino

hellifino

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but I think we are gonna see a downward spiral for him from here on out.It hurts for me say it,but I think he's got 3 years left tops.
 
3 years left of what exactly? Of being great/elite? Or just even being serviceable?

He's a once in a generation type talent, but sure he will start to decline. His power numbers are down significantly this year, but that seems to be attributed more to his injuries than anything else. He's still 10th in the AL in OPS despite having a lot less home runs than usual. I think he will still be a good to great player for longer than 3 years personally, especially if they move him to DH full time.
 
And we have a winner in the Jump to Ridiculous Conclusions Contest!

Half a season after he won the MVP, and still recovering from core muscle injury.

But yeah, the END IS NEAR!!!!!
 
UMRules06 said:
3 years left of what exactly? Of being great/elite? Or just even being serviceable?

He's a once in a generation type talent, but sure he will start to decline. His power numbers are down significantly this year, but that seems to be attributed more to his injuries than anything else. He's still 10th in the AL in OPS despite having a lot less home runs than usual. I think he will still be a good to great player for longer than 3 years personally, especially if they move him to DH full time.
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Pretty much a 2dls hitter,with a ave.around .290.got to remember this is his 12 year,and who knows if his age is really what they list it as.
 
hellifino said:
Pretty much a 2dls hitter,with a ave.around .290.got to remember this is his 12 year,and who knows if his age is really what they list it as.
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Wasn't it DD and Avila Sr. who signed him as a 16 year old with the Marlins.
 
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Thumb said:
And we have a winner in the Jump to Ridiculous Conclusions Contest!

Half a season after he won the MVP, and still recovering from core muscle injury.

But yeah, the END IS NEAR!!!!!
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hey, your entitled to your opinion, and if you want others to respect yours, then don't jump other posters throat for theirs... OK
 
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He'll be fine that surgery he had takes a good year before you feel like you fully stress it day in and day out consistently..I know I've had it myself, far as I'm concerned that pre all star game rumor is completely true..he's got a on again off again slight ginger gator legs drive follow through on his swing right now because of it IMO it'll pass...eventually
 
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Regardless what he does 10-20-30 years from now we're going to be telling stories about him. We're going to talk about his 3000 hits and his Cy Young, his multiple MVP, and the years he won the batting titles and about how he's one of the great hitters in our time..

HOF in a Tiger Uniform..it's been awhile.
 
Thumb said:
And we have a winner in the Jump to Ridiculous Conclusions Contest!

Half a season after he won the MVP, and still recovering from core muscle injury.

But yeah, the END IS NEAR!!!!!
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Albert Pujos says hi
 
Mitchrapp said:
Pujols is like 47 now..
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He started his regression around the age Miggy is now. Even if he's a couple years older than what he claims, he still went from an OPS consistently around 1.100 to under .900 very quickly.

I'm not saying he's done. In fact, I don't believe he is. I'm just saying that he's at an age where injuries linger and skill can diminish. So it's not outlandish for someone to make a thread about it.
 
Of course Miggy will decline. All players decline at a certain point. Why lament that fact? Let's just enjoy him while we have him instead of worrying that the end is near.

Even if he has 3 years left (which I don't believe), that's still plenty of baseball for me to enjoy. I plan on doing so.
 
hellifino said:
Pretty much a 2dls hitter,with a ave.around .290.got to remember this is his 12 year,and who knows if his age is really what they list it as.
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He's been above .300 since May 17th and hasn't dipped below it. He's had peaks and valleys (currently in a valley), but where are you getting .290 from?
 
gotime909 said:
He started his regression around the age Miggy is now. Even if he's a couple years older than what he claims, he still went from an OPS consistently around 1.100 to under .900 very quickly.

I'm not saying he's done. In fact, I don't believe he is. I'm just saying that he's at an age where injuries linger and skill can diminish. So it's not outlandish for someone to make a thread about it.
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Pujols Walk Rates

2008 (28) 8.7 PA/BB 1.114 OPS

2009 (29) 9.2 PA/BB 1.101 OPS

2010 (30) 10.2 PA/BB 1.011 OPS

2011 (31) 17.2 PA/BB .906 OPS

2012 (32) 18.2 PA/BB .859 OPS

2013 (33) 13.6 PA/BB .767 OPS

2014 (34) 21.7 PA/BB .803 OPS



Cabrera Walk Rate

2011 (28) 7.7 PA/BB 1.033 OPS

2012 (29) 13.9 PA/BB .999 OPS

2013 (30) 8.9 PA/BB 1.078 OPS

2014 (31) 13.1 PA/BB .906 OPS


There is an obvious correlation to most "true" regressions when a player has a diminished walk rate that last for more than a season here or there. Let me know when Miguel has two over 15.0 PA/BB. Then I will tell you when he has regressed.
 
Rebbiv said:
Pujols Walk Rates

2008 (28) 8.7 PA/BB 1.114 OPS

2009 (29) 9.2 PA/BB 1.101 OPS

2010 (30) 10.2 PA/BB 1.011 OPS

2011 (31) 17.2 PA/BB .906 OPS

2012 (32) 18.2 PA/BB .859 OPS

2013 (33) 13.6 PA/BB .767 OPS

2014 (34) 21.7 PA/BB .803 OPS



Cabrera Walk Rate

2011 (28) 7.7 PA/BB 1.033 OPS

2012 (29) 13.9 PA/BB .999 OPS

2013 (30) 8.9 PA/BB 1.078 OPS

2014 (31) 13.1 PA/BB .906 OPS


There is an obvious correlation to most "true" regressions when a player has a diminished walk rate that last for more than a season here or there. Let me know when Miguel has two over 15.0 PA/BB. Then I will tell you when he has regressed.
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You love your walk rate stats!
 
Rebbiv said:
Pujols Walk Rates

2008 (28) 8.7 PA/BB 1.114 OPS

2009 (29) 9.2 PA/BB 1.101 OPS

2010 (30) 10.2 PA/BB 1.011 OPS

2011 (31) 17.2 PA/BB .906 OPS

2012 (32) 18.2 PA/BB .859 OPS

2013 (33) 13.6 PA/BB .767 OPS

2014 (34) 21.7 PA/BB .803 OPS



Cabrera Walk Rate

2011 (28) 7.7 PA/BB 1.033 OPS

2012 (29) 13.9 PA/BB .999 OPS

2013 (30) 8.9 PA/BB 1.078 OPS

2014 (31) 13.1 PA/BB .906 OPS


There is an obvious correlation to most "true" regressions when a player has a diminished walk rate that last for more than a season here or there. Let me know when Miguel has two over 15.0 PA/BB. Then I will tell you when he has regressed.
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Of course his walk rates were better in those peak years. Almost 40% of them were intentional. Not to mention many more that might have well been intentional walks. Pitchers don't fear him anymore so why pitch around the guy?

Pujos 2008-10 116 Intentional base on balls

2011-14 47 Intentional base on balls
 
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gotime909 said:
Of course his walk rates were better in those peak years. Almost 40% of them were intentional. Not to mention many more that might have well been intentional walks. Pitchers don't fear him anymore so why pitch around the guy?

Pujos 2008-10 116 Intentional base on balls

2011-14 47 Intentional base on balls
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Maybe I'm missing something but isn't that the point? His walks, regardless of why, went down along with the rest of him.

If he was getting intentional walks because he was a beast and then stopped getting intentional walks because he WASN'T a beast...I just feel like that just supports Rebbiv's point. Maybe I'm missing something though.
 
sggatecl said:
Maybe I'm missing something but isn't that the point? His walks, regardless of why, went down along with the rest of him.

If he was getting intentional walks because he was a beast and then stopped getting intentional walks because he WASN'T a beast...I just feel like that just supports Rebbiv's point. Maybe I'm missing something though.
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I didn't disagree about his walk% going down. I was pointing out his intentional walks being the main reason why.

I will add this though, in regards to his OPS going down. His slugging % has taken a much bigger hit than his OBP.

Either way, I never said Miggy IS regressing like Pujols. My only point was that he's at the point where Pujols did. I was only defending the OP's right to be concerned.
 
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