manchild98 said:

They are just not that good and they certainly don't have the pitching to go on any type of a winning streak where they win 8 out of 10 games, etc. We really needed JV to build off of that last performance and instead he shit the bed after the Tigers tied the game up for him.

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manchild98 said:

Can't wait for the JV press conference. I'm so close. 6-1.

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manchild98 said:

"I was booing myself when I left the mound," Verlander said. "I don't think there's any doubt I am doing everything I can possibly do. It's just one inning here, one inning there. In most starts, it's just one inning where I run into trouble and can't find my way out of it."

Verlander said he simply needs to not work so quickly out of the stretch. That's where he ran into trouble Sunday and in a similar start earlier this month against the Toronto Blue Jays. He called the solution "a simple fix."

"We need to play better, consistent baseball," Verlander said. "We have to get better starting pitching. I need to do a better job. A lot of guys need to do a better job, just as far as consistency. And it starts with looking in the mirror, myself. I've got to be more consistent. The last was start, it was like, 'OK, that's it, let's keep it going.' And I kind of reverted back a little bit in that fourth inning."

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Rebbiv said:

Since May 16th (over 2 months), they have the worst record in the AL by 2 games.

DET 22-32 .407 WPCT
BOS 24-30 .444 WPCT

The last time they won 4 games in a row is when they opened the season 6-0. Since starting 11-2, they have lost 4 games in a row twice, with the longest being 8 games.

Certainly pitching, both starting and relief has been the culprit. Inconsistent offense hasn't helped, but it certainly comes down to pitching.

June+July (Obviously at the individual level, these are small samples)

Price 52.2 RC/650 1.56 ERA 1.01 WHIP .239 OPP BAVG .626 OPP OPS
Sanchez 59.2 RC/650 3.14 ERA 1.08 WHIP .201 OPP BAVG .620 OPP OPS

Ryan 102.6 RC/650 5.93 ERA 1.50 WHIP .283 OPP BAVG .879 OPP OPS
Verlander 107.2 RC/650 6.62 ERA 1.50 WHIP .289 OPP BAVG .860 OPP OPS
Simon 123.5 RC/650 7.07 ERA 1.81 WHIP .326 OPP BAVG .923 OPP OPS
Farmer 136.4 RC/650 7.27 ERA 1.85 WHIP .351 OPP BAVG .982 OPP OPS
Greene 203.6 RC/650 12.00 ERA 2.33 WHIP .407 OPP BAVG 1.246 OPP OPS



Feliz 00.0 RC/650 0.00 ERA 0.75 WHIP .250 OPP BAVG .500 OPP OPS
B. Hardy 34.2 RC/650 1.74 ERA 0.87 WHIP .178 OPP BAVG .487 OPP OPS
Alburquerque 62.9 RC/650 2.75 ERA 1.27 WHIP .227 OPP BAVG .636 OPP OPS

A. Wilson 81.9 RC/650 2.42 ERA 1.52 WHIP .330 OPP BAVG .797 OPP OPS

Verhagen 108.2 18.00 ERA 5.00 WHIP .333 OPP BAVG 1.048 OPP OPS
Rondon 123.1 RC/650 9.35 ERA 1.85 WHIP .342 OPP BAVG .878 OPP OPS
Krol 130.4 RC/650 7.00 ERA 2.22 WHIP .368 OPP BAVG .993 OPP OPS
Gorzelanny 133.8 RC/650 9.00 ERA 2.75 WHIP .342 OPP BAVG .963 OPP OPS
Soria 135.8 RC/650 6.28 ERA 1.61 WHIP .295 OPP BAVG .965 OPP OPS
Ferrell 183.1 RC/650 13.50 ERA 2.00 WHIP .400 OPP BAVG 1.164 OPP OPS
J. Wilson 203.1 RC/650 9.00 ERA 2.00 WHIP .600 OPP BAVG 1.750 OPP OPS
Chamberlain 216.2 RC/650 9.39 ERA 2.09 WHIP .389 OPP BAVG 1.269 OPP OPS
Nesbitt 263.6 RC/650 33.75 ERA 4.50 WHIP .429 OPP BAVG 1.524 OPP OPS


TEAM = 94.2 RC/650 4.99 ERA 1.47 WHIP .283 OPP BAVG .815 OPP OPS

54 HRs given up in the last 39 games

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tomdalton22 said:

wow...outside of Price and Sanchez the starters have been TERRIBLE!!

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Rebbiv said:

Yup...and IMHO Simon has been far worse than Verlander, but no one is screaming about that. Maybe it has to do with the salary aspect.

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tomdalton22 said:

Maybe a little to do with the salary aspect but mostly because at times Simon has contributed to this team in a positive manner over the course of the season. He was better than I expected his first 12 starts.

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Rebbiv said:

Yet, Simon isn't coming off an injury.


Through 16 May,

Shane Greene (4-2) = 8 GS (4 Quality), only 3 he gave up more than 1 run

Alfredo Simon (4-1) = 7 GS (4 Quality), only 3 he gave up more than 1 run


So shouldn't you be giving Shane Greene props for his great start as well?

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