Jesus was married

[Gulo Blue]

have we not covered this already?

Yes we have. ...and your follow up. ...and the follow up to that.

 

[Thumb]

It's always about power.

This is true as well.

 

[byco42]

In this context it is debatable.


As Monster pointed out, that was not really due to atheism, it was that the Politburo wanted nothing worshiped above the state, which was why the USSR was anti-religion in the first place. It was about power not religion/lack thereof.

I'll let Lenin speak for himself.

Militant atheism was an essential element of the Soviet regime. Atheism is the fundamental precept of Marxism.

"Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism." Lenin.

"The philosophical basis of Marxism, as Marx and Engels repeatedly declared, is dialectical materialism, which has fully taken over the historical traditions of eighteenth-century materialism in France and of Feuerbach in Germany—a materialism which is absolutely atheistic and positively hostile to all religion." Lenin.

 

[biggunsbob]

Catholicism - 1.2 billion.

Catholic Church - 1,166 million.
Latin Church - 1,149 million
Eastern Catholic Churches - 17 million
Alexandrian Rite Ethiopian Catholic Church - 0.2 million.
Coptic Catholic Church - 0.2 million.

Antiochene Rite Maronite Catholic Church - 3.1 million.
Syro-Malankara Catholic Church - 0.4 million.
Syriac Catholic Church - 0.1 million.

Armenian Rite Armenian Catholic Church - 0.4 million.

Chaldean Rite Syro-Malabar Catholic Church - 3.8 million.
Chaldean Catholic Church - 0.4 million.

Byzantine Rite Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church - 4.3 million.
Melkite Greek Catholic Church - 1.3 million.
Romanian Catholic Church - 0.7 million.
Ruthenian Catholic Church - 0.5 million.
Hungarian Greek Catholic Church - 0.3 million.
Slovak Greek Catholic Church - 0.2 million.
Italo-Albanian Catholic Church - 0.1 million.
Belarusian Greek Catholic Church - 0.1 million.
Georgian Byzantine Catholic Church - 0.01 million.
Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church - 0.01 million.
Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church - 0.01 million.
Croatian Greek Catholic Church - 0.01 million.
Greek Byzantine Catholic Church - 0.01 million.
Macedonian Greek Catholic Church - 0.01 million.
Russian Greek Catholic Church - 0.01 million.



Breakaway Catholic Churches - 25 million
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Philippine Independent Church - 6 million.
Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association - 5 million.
Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church - 5 million.
Old Catholic Church - 0.6 million.
Society of St. Pius X - 0.5 million.
Polish National Catholic Church - 0.025 million.


Protestantism - 600–800 million.


Estimates of the total number of Protestants are very uncertain, partly because of the difficulty in determining which denominations should be placed in the category. It seems however clear that Protestantism is the second largest major group of Christians after Catholicism by number of followers. Often that number is put at 800 million. Some sources, which put the number at 800 million, include also Anglicanism (see below) within Protestantism However, the 33,000 Protestant denominations in the world differ vastly to slightly theologically and do not form a single communion.
Historical Protestantism - 330 million.
Baptist churches - 100 million.
Southern Baptist Convention - 16.3 million.
National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. - 8.5 million.
National Baptist Convention of America, Inc. - 3.1 million.
Nigerian Baptist Convention - 2.5 million.
Progressive National Baptist Convention - 2.5 million.
Baptist General Convention of Texas - 2.3 million.
Baptist Union of Uganda - 1.5 million[.
American Baptist Churches USA - 1.4 million.
Brazilian Baptist Convention - 1.3 million.
Baptist Bible Fellowship International - 1.2 million.
Baptist Community of the Congo River - 1 million.
National Primitive Baptist Convention of the U.S.A. - 1 million.
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America - 1 million
Myanmar Baptist Convention - 0.9 million.
Samavesam of Telugu Baptist Churches - 0.8 million.
Korea Baptist Convention - 0.8 million.
Baptist Convention of Kenya - 0.8 million.
Council of Baptist Churches in Northeast India - 0.6 million.
Cooperative Baptist Fellowship - 0.5 million.
Nagaland Baptist Church Council - 0.5 million.
Baptist Convention in Tanzania - 0.5 million.
Orissa Evangelical Baptist Crusade - 0.5 million.
Baptist General Association of Virginia - 0.5 million.
National Baptist Convention (Brazil) - 0.4 million.
Church of Christ in Congo–Baptist Community of Congo - 0.4 million.
Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches - 0.3.
American Baptist Association - 0.3 million.
Union of Baptist Churches in Rwanda - 0.3 million..
Association of Baptist Churches in Rwanda - 0.3 million.
Garo Baptist Convention - 0.2 million.
Baptist Community of Western Congo - 0.2 million.
Baptist Missionary Association of America - 0.2 million.
Conservative Baptist Association of America - 0.2 million.
National Association of Free Will Baptists - 0.2 million.
Canadian Baptist Ministries - 0.2 million.
National Baptist Convention of Mexico - 0.2 million.
Manipur Baptist Convention - 0.2 million.
Convention of Baptist Churches of the Northern Circars - 0.2 million.
Baptist Community in Central Africa - 0.2 million.
Baptist Convention of Malawi - 0.2 million.

Lutheranism - 75 million.
Evangelical Church in Germany - 24.5 million.
Church of Sweden - 6.7 million.
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania - 5.6 million.
Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus - 5.3 million.
United Evangelical Lutheran Churches in India - 4.5 million.
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America - 4.5 million.
Church of Denmark - 4.5 million.
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland - 4.4 million.
Batak Christian Protestant Church - 4.2 million.
Church of Norway - 4.0 million.
Christian Protestant Church in Indonesia - 3.6 million.
Malagasy Lutheran Church - 3.0 million.
Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod - 2.5 million.
The Lutheran Church of Christ in Nigeria - 1.9 million.
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Papua New Guinea - 0.9 million.
Evangelical Church of the Lutheran Confession in Brazil - 0.7 million.
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Namibia - 0.7 million.
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Southern Africa - 0.6 million.
Evangelical Lutheran Church in the Republic of Namibia - 0.4 million.
Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod - 0.4 million.
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Slovakia - 0.4 million.
The Indonesian Protestant Church - 0.4 million.
The Protestant Christian Church - 0.4 million.
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Austria - 0.3 million.
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Cameroon - 0.2 million.
Church of Iceland - 0.2 million.
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Brazil - 0.2 million.
Simalungun Protestant Christian Church - 0.2 million.
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Zimbabwe - 0.2 million.
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia - 0.2 million.
Evangelical-Lutheran Church in Hungary - 0.2 million.
Protestant Church of Augsburg Confession of Alsace and Lorraine - 0.2 million.
The Lutheran Council of Great Britain - 0.2 million.
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church - 0.2 million.

Methodism - 75 million
United Methodist Church - 12 million.
African Methodist Episcopal Church - 2.5 million.
Methodist Church Nigeria - 2 million.
Church of the Nazarene - 2 million.
Methodist Church of Southern Africa - 1.7 million.
Korean Methodist Church - 1.5 million.
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church - 1.5 million.
The Salvation Army - 1.4 million .
United Methodist Church of Ivory Coast - 1 million.
Free Methodist Church - 0.9 million.
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church - 0.9 million.
Methodist Church Ghana - 0.8 million.
Methodist Church in India - 0.6 million.
Methodist Church in Kenya - 0.5 million.
Wesleyan Church - 0.4 million.
Evangelical Free Church of America - 0.4 million.
Methodist Church of Great Britain - 0.3 million.
Methodist Church in Brazil - 0.2 million.
Reformed churches - 75 million
Presbyterianism - 40 million Presbyterian
Church of East Africa - 4.0 million.
Presbyterian Church of Africa - 3.4 million.
United Church of Canada - 2.8 million.
Church of Christ in Congo–Presbyterian Community of Congo - 2.5 million.
Presbyterian Church of Korea - 2.4 million.
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) - 1.8 million.
Presbyterian Church of Cameroon - 1.8 million.
Church of Central Africa, Presbyterian - 1.3 million.
Church of Scotland - 1.1 million.
Presbyterian Church of the Sudan - 1.0 million.
Presbyterian Church in Cameroon - 0.7 million.
Presbyterian Church of Brazil - 0.7 million.
Evangelical Presbyterian Church, Ghana - 0.6 million.
United Church of Christ in the Philippines - 0.5 million.
Presbyterian Church of Nigeria - 0.5 million.
Uniting Presbyterian Church in Southern Africa - 0.5 million.
Presbyterian Church of Pakistan - 0.4 million.
Presbyterian Church in Ireland - 0.3 million
Uniting Church in Australia - 0.3 million.
Presbyterian Church in America - 0.3 million.
Presbyterian Church of Korea - 0.3 million.
Presbyterian Church in Rwanda - 0.3 million.
Presbyterian Church in Taiwan - 0.3 million.

Continental Reformed churches - 30 million.
Church of Jesus Christ in Madagascar - 3.5 million.
United Church of Zambia - 3.0 million.
Protestant Church in the Netherlands - 2.5 million.
Swiss Reformed Church - 2.4 million.
Evangelical Church of Cameroon - 2.0 million.
Protestant Evangelical Church in Timor - 2.0 million.
Dutch Reformed Church - 1.1 million
Christian Evangelical Church in Minahasa - 0.7 million.
United Church in Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands - 0.6 million.
Protestant Church in Western Indonesia - 0.6 million.
Evangelical Christian Church in Tanah Papua - 0.6 million.
Protestant Church in the Moluccas - 0.6 million.
Reformed Church in Hungary - 0.6 million.
Reformed Church in Romania - 0.6 million.
Uniting Reformed Church in Southern Africa - 0.5 million.
Toraja Church - 0.4 million.
Reformed Church of France - 0.4 million.
Lesotho Evangelical Church - 0.3 million.
Evangelical Christian Church in Halmahera - 0.3 million.
Christian Church of Sumba - 0.3 million.
Karo Batak Protestant Church - 0.3 million.
Reformed Church in America - 0.3 million.
Christian Reformed Church in North America - 0.3 million.
Christian Reformed Church of Nigeria - 0.3 million.
Reformed Church in Zambia - 0.3 million.
Kalimantan Evangelical Church - 0.2 million.
Javanese Christian Churches - 0.2 million.
Indonesia Christian Church - 0.2 million.
Church of Christ in the Sudan Among the Tiv - 0.2 million.
Church of Lippe - 0.2 million.
Evangelical Church of Congo - 0.2 million.
Evangelical Church of Gabon - 0.2 million.
Christian Evangelical Church of Sangihe Talaud - 0.2 million.
Central Sulawesi Christian Church - 0.2 million.
Evangelical Reformed Church in Bavaria and Northwestern Germany - 0.2 million.

Congregationalism - 5 million United Church of Christ - 1.2 million.
Evangelical Congregational Church in Angola - 0.9 million.
United Congregational Church of Southern Africa - 0.5 million.


Anabaptism and Schwarzenau Brethren - 3.5 million Schwarzenau Brethren/German Baptist groups - 1.5 million.
Mennonites - 1.7 million
Amish - 0.25 million
Hutterites - 0.05 million

Hussites - 1 million Moravians - 0.825 million
Czechoslovak Hussite Church - 0.14 million
Unity of the Brethren - 0.035 million

Quakers (Religious Society of Friends) - 0.4 million

Modern Protestantism - 464 million
Pentecostalism - 279 million
Assemblies of God - 65 million.
Fangcheng Fellowship - 12 million
International Circle of Faith - 11 million.
China Gospel Fellowship - 10 million
Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee) - 9 million
International Church of the Foursquare Gospel - 8 million
Church of God in Christ - 6.5 million.
Apostolic Church - 6 million
Jesus is Lord Church - 6 million
International Pentecostal Holiness Church - 4 million
United Pentecostal Church International - 4 million
The Pentecostal Mission - 2.5 million
Christian Congregation of Brazil - 2.5 million
True Jesus Church - 2.5 million
Church of Pentecost - 2.1 million
Universal Church of the Kingdom of God - 2 million
Pentecostal Assemblies of the World - 1.5 million
Apostolic Faith Mission of South Africa - 1.2 million
Church of God of Prophecy - 1.5 million
Association of Pentecostal Churches of Rwanda - 1 million
God is Love Pentecostal Church - 0.8 million

Nondenominational evangelicalism - 80 million Calvary Chapel - 25 million
Born Again Movement - 20 million
Association of Vineyard Churches - 15 million.
Christian and Missionary Alliance - 4 million.
True Jesus Church - 2.5 million
Church of God (Anderson, Indiana) - 1.2 million

African initiated Protestant churches - 60 million. Zion Christian Church - 15 million
Eternal Sacred Order of Cherubim and Seraphim - 10 million
Kimbanguist Church - 5.5 million
Church of the Lord (Aladura) - 3.6 million.
Council of African Instituted Churches - 3 million.
Church of Christ Light of the Holy Spirit - 1.4 million.
African Church of the Holy Spirit - 0.7 million.
African Israel Church Nineveh - 0.5 million.

Seventh-day Adventist Church - 17 million
New Apostolic Church - 10 million.
Chinese-originated and Chinese Independent Churches – 10 million Local Churches – between 1 and 10 million
Eastern Lightning – 1 million
The Shouters – unknown, probably less than 1 million



Note: Groups listed have origins in the Lord's Recovery movement associated with Watchman Nee and Witness Lee. The Shouters are an offshoot of the Local Churches considered a dangerous sect by the Chinese government; due to the extremely decentralized nature of both groups, there is controversy over which house churches should be actually considered part of each. Eastern Lightning, which is in turn an offshoot of The Shouters, is very hierarchical (in contrast to its predecessors) and teaches that Christ has already returned as a woman named Lightning Deng.
Restoration Movement - 7 million Churches of Christ - 5 million
Christian churches and churches of Christ - 1.1 million.
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) - 0.7 million.

Plymouth Brethren - 1 million.


Eastern Orthodoxy - 225–300 million.





The most common estimates of the number of Orthodox Christians worldwide is approximately 225–300 million. There are also a number of autonomous Orthodox churches, that account for no more than 12 million and are united in communion with the rest of the Eastern Orthodox church, plus some not universally recognized churches and Orthodox splinter groups.
Autocephalous churches - 240 million Russian Orthodox Church - 150 million
Romanian Orthodox Church - 23 million
Serbian Orthodox Church - 11.5 million
Church of Greece - 11 million
Bulgarian Orthodox Church - 10 million
Georgian Orthodox Church - 3.5 million
Greek Orthodox Church of Constantinople - 3.5 million
Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch - 2.5 million
Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria - 1.5 million
Orthodox Church in America - 1.2 million
Polish Orthodox Church - 1 million
Albanian Orthodox Church - 0.8 million
Church of Cyprus - 0.7 million
Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem - 0.14 million
Czech and Slovak Orthodox Church - 0.07 million

Autonomous churches - 12 million Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) - 7.2 million.
Moldovan Orthodox Church - 3.2 million
Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia - 1.25 million
Metropolitan Church of Bessarabia - 0.62 million
Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric - 0.34 million.
Estonian Orthodox Church - 0.3 million
Patriarchal Exarchate in Western Europe - 0.15 million
Finnish Orthodox Church - 0.08 million
Chinese Orthodox Church - 0.03 million
Japanese Orthodox Church - 0.02 million
Latvian Orthodox Church - 0.02 million

Non-universally recognized churches - 11 million Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Kyiv Patriarchate) - 5.5 million.
Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church - 3.8 million
Belarusian Autocephalous Orthodox Church - 2.4 million
Macedonian Orthodox Church - 2 million
Orthodox Church of Greece (Holy Synod in Resistance) - 0.75 million
Old Calendar Romanian Orthodox Church - 0.50 million
Old Calendar Bulgarian Orthodox Church - 0.45 million
Orthodox Church in Italy - 0.12 million
Montenegrin Orthodox Church - 0.05 million

Other separated Orthodox groups - 10 million Old Believers - 5.5 million
Greek Old Calendarists - 0.86 million
True Orthodox Church - 0.85 million


Oriental Orthodoxy - 86 million.
Tewahedo Church - 48 million.
Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria - 15.5 million
Armenian Apostolic Church - 8 million
Syriac Orthodox Church - 6.6 million.
Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church - 2.5 million
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church - 2 million.
Armenian Orthodox Church of Cilicia - 1.5 million

Autonomous churches in communion Jacobite Syrian Christian Church - 1.2 million.
Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople - 0.42 million
Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem - 0.34 million
French Coptic Orthodox Church - 0.01 million
British Orthodox Church - 0.01 million

Churches not in communion Mar Thoma Syrian Church - 1.1 million.
Malabar Independent Syrian Church - 0.06 million


Anglicanism - 85 million.
Anglican Communion - 80 million.] Church of England - 25.0 million.
Church of Nigeria - 18.0 million.
Church of Uganda - 8.1 million.
Anglican Church of Kenya - 5.0 million.
Episcopal Church of Sudan - 4.5 million.
Church of South India - 4 million.
Anglican Church of Australia - 3.9 million.
Anglican Church of Southern Africa - 2.3 million.
Episcopal Church in the United States - 2.1 million.
Anglican Church of Tanzania - 2.0 million.
Anglican Church of Canada - 2.0 million.
Church of North India - 1.5 million.
Anglican Church of Rwanda - 1.0 million.
Church of the Province of Central Africa - 0.9 million.
Anglican Church of Burundi - 0.8 million.
Church in the Province of the West Indies - 0.8 million.
Church of the Province of the Indian Ocean - 0.5 million.
Church of Christ in Congo–Anglican Community of Congo - 0.5 million.
Church of Pakistan - 0.5 million.
Church of Ireland - 0.4 million.
Church of the Province of West Africa - 0.3 million.
Church of the Province of Melanesia - 0.2 million.

Continuing Anglican movement and independent Anglican churches - 1.5 million Traditional Anglican Communion - 0.4 million
Church of England in South Africa - 0.1 million


Restorationism and Non-Trinitarianism - 41 million
Latter Day Saint movement - 15.2 million The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism) - 15 million
Community of Christ - 0.2 million.

Iglesia ni Cristo - 10 million.
Jehovah's Witnesses - 7.65 million .
Oneness Pentecostalism - 6 million United Pentecostal Church International - 4 million
Pentecostal Assemblies of the World - 1.5 million.

La Luz del Mundo - between 1 and 7 million
Unitarian Universalism - 0.6 million Unitarian Universalist Association - 0.2 million.


Note: Unitarian Universalism, which counts 0.6 million adherents, developed out of Christian traditions but no longer identifies as a Christian denomination.
Church of Christ, Scientist - 0.4 million
Friends of Man - 0.07 million
Christadelphians - 0.06 million

Church of the East - 0.6 million.
Assyrian Church of the East - 0.5 million.
Ancient Church of the East - 0.1 million.

That is a lot of people...

 

[biggunsbob]

Christianity 2.1 billion
Islam 1.6 billion
Secular*/Nonreligious*/Agnostic/Atheist ≤ 1.1 billion
Hinduism 1 billion
Chinese traditional religion* 394 million
Buddhism* 376 million
Ethnic religions excluding some in separate categories 300 million
African traditional religions 100 million
Sikhism 23 million
Juche* 19 million
Spiritism 15 million
Judaism 14 million
Bah?'? 7 million
Jainism 4.2 million
Shinto 4 million
Cao Dai 4 million
Zoroastrianism 2.6 million
Tenrikyo 2 million
Neo-Paganism 1 million
Unitarian Universalism 800,000
Rastafarianism 600,000
Scientology 500,000

 

[biggunsbob]

Looks like Islam is the fastest growing religion as of now... I am not sure any of these numbers are right because I took them off the internet which is the devil in disguise

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest-growing_religion

 

[Monster]

I'll let Lenin speak for himself.

Militant atheism was an essential element of the Soviet regime. Atheism is the fundamental precept of Marxism.

"Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism." Lenin.

"The philosophical basis of Marxism, as Marx and Engels repeatedly declared, is dialectical materialism, which has fully taken over the historical traditions of eighteenth-century materialism in France and of Feuerbach in Germany?a materialism which is absolutely atheistic and positively hostile to all religion." Lenin.

So........Lenin and Stalin did everything because they wanted to rid the world of religion? No. The goal was power, wealth, and land. They used fear and intimidation to rid their people of hope. Also it was a security issue. Churches were gathering places. Very dangerous to let groups of people come together. They used Atheism as a tool, not motivation. I would think that would be obvious.

 

[Monster]

Looks like Islam is the fastest growing religion as of now... I am not sure any of these numbers are right because I took them off the internet which is the devil in disguise

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest-growing_religion

You can thank Asian countries for that.

 

[Gulo Blue]

So........Lenin and Stalin did everything because they wanted to rid the world of religion? No. The goal was power, wealth, and land. They used fear and intimidation to rid their people of hope. Also it was a security issue. Churches were gathering places. Very dangerous to let groups of people come together. They used Atheism as a tool, not motivation. I would think that would be obvious.

A motivational tool. Religion has been used the same way. You think the distinction is obvious, but I don't see it.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Looks like Islam is the fastest growing religion as of now... I am not sure any of these numbers are right because I took them off the internet which is the devil in disguise

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest-growing_religion

I saw a TED talk asserting that birth rates are completely driven by wealth. If you control for wealth, there is no relationship between birth rate and religion.

I don't think that's what was meant by "the last shall be first", but that's what's going to happen with regard to wealth and population.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I don't think that's what was meant by "the last shall be first".

It means the broke dick poor go to the front of the line at the Pearly Gates.

 

[Gulo Blue]

It means the broke dick poor go to the front of the line at the Pearly Gates.

OK, I should have said "I know that's not what was meant by 'The first shall be last', but..."

Point is, if the world population does level off rather than collapse due to some tragedy, the sooner a race breaks free from being broke dick poor, the less they will be represented in the racial makeup of the planet down the road. So you could say, the first shall be last.

 

[byco42]

So........Lenin and Stalin did everything because they wanted to rid the world of religion? No. The goal was power, wealth, and land. They used fear and intimidation to rid their people of hope. Also it was a security issue. Churches were gathering places. Very dangerous to let groups of people come together. They used Atheism as a tool, not motivation. I would think that would be obvious.

This self-titled Atheist organization seemed rather "motivated" to me:

The League of Militant Atheists

Motto: The Storming of Heaven
Formation: 1929
Type: Volunteer Organization
Purpose/focus: The promotion of atheism and the extermination of religion in all its manifestations
Location: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Founder: Emel'ian Yaroslavskii
Volunteers: 3,500,000

The League of Militant Atheists aided the Soviet government in killing clergy and committed believers.[45] The League also made it a priority to remove religious icons from the homes of believers.[46] Under the slogan, "the Storming of Heaven," the League of Militant Atheists pressed for "resolute action against religious peasants" leading to the mass arrest and exile of many believers, especially village priests. By 1940, "over 100 bishops, tens of thousands of Orthodox clergy, and thousands of monks and lay believers had been killed or had died in Soviet prisons and the Gulag."[47]

If this does not serve as an example of motivated "Atheists killing Christians" then you are willfully ignoring the blatantly obvious.

 

[Monster]

Oh, you got me. However, the USSR was not motivated by atheism. It was a tool as i keep saying. Now, let's look at instances of religion killing because of religion.

Both atheists and believers can be evil. I've said that in multiple threads. The difference is that Atheism has no guidelines or texts that i must obey. Your book does and some of those laws are about killing people like me. Not saying all christians are bad, so don't think that.

 

[zyxt9]

As for the bible being written incorrectly, I will add this little historical FACT...

In medival times, when the Jewish language was translated into Italian/Latin/Roman the person who did the translation did not accurately translate the word now used, "halo"...instead translating it as "horns".

As a result, the works of The Master Artists of that time,ike Michaelangelo, depict biblical figures like Moses as having horns on their head. It was hundreds of years before the inaccuracy of the translation was corrected.

Which brings to question whether the Devil actually has horns...

And why did the translators not identify The Last Supper as a Passover Seder? Could it be the early editors wanted to distance Jesus from Judaism as much as possible??? Thankfully that has been reversed in recent history, and since we are now in the midst of Passover, may I wish every Christian a Happy Last Supper remembrance and invite you to experience a Passover Seder at least once in your life, not to convert you, but to provide some insight into Jesus's Jewish life, that there may continue to be a strengthening of the Jewish-Christian relationship that people long ago attempted as much as possible to permanantly sever, but thankfully failed through perseverance and courage of people from both sides.

Just wanted to repost this and add the following:

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=is...pell=1&ei=-cVOU4uBJcmQyATGiIL4DA&ved=0CAkQvwU

Yes, attempting to hijack the thread to a more positive topic than who is killing who and all that. May everyone enjoy some peace and happiness, rest and relaxation, regardless of background, beliefs, and other distinctions.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Just wanted to repost this and add the following:

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=is...pell=1&ei=-cVOU4uBJcmQyATGiIL4DA&ved=0CAkQvwU

Yes, attempting to hijack the thread to a more positive topic than who is killing who and all that. May everyone enjoy some peace and happiness, rest and relaxation, regardless of background, beliefs, and other distinctions.

I think Michelangelo was simply portraying Moses as being horny.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Yes, attempting to hijack the thread to a more positive topic

Well, when I see this thread title, I read it in a specific voice.

Jesus was married? Does that matter?

Who are you talking to?

It's Jake, from State Farm.

 

[byco42]

Oh, you got me. However, the USSR was not motivated by atheism. It was a tool as i keep saying. Now, let's look at instances of religion killing because of religion.

Both atheists and believers can be evil. I've said that in multiple threads. The difference is that Atheism has no guidelines or texts that i must obey. Your book does and some of those laws are about killing people like me. Not saying all christians are bad, so don't think that.

I recommend you read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. And the New Testament.

 

[KAWDUP]

Now, let's look at instances of religion killing because of religion.

Well start listing them, and analyze them with the same eye you seem to be discounting the Marxists as atheists who crucified Christians. Keep in mind killing anyone other than atheists by your own definitions wouldn't count. It would also have to be specifically because they were atheists too. Your list would start to look just as sparse.

Otherwise:
Not 100% sure how it became only atheists, and only in the name of atheism.

Romans and Egyptians killed Christians if they didn't worship the current grand leader as a god. I had thought we were talking about general persecution for a belief system, but maybe I misinterpreted?

 

[Monster]

I recommend you read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. And the New Testament.

Oh...I've read the NT, twice.

1 timothy 2:11-15

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing?if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

of course, that's probably taken out of context, eh? There are more verses about women, but I'd say this is pretty good. Try telling your wife or mother that she needs to to shut her mouth because it's God's command. See how far that gets you.

In both Matthew and Mark, I believe, It's declared that any city that doesn't welcome the disciples shall have a worse fate than Sodom and Gomorrah.

Jesus scolded the Jews for not killing their naughty, disobedient children as the OT commanded. He also says that most people will go to Hell. The NT also says that Homosexuality is a sin.

Jesus says that the laws of the OT still apply. I'm sure you could find a few dozen instances of cruelty and immorality in the OT if you just randomly select a few verses.