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Kiper 4.0

alanclark1

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23. Detroit Lions
Mel's picks: Stanford offensive lineman Jonathan Martin. Second round: Montana cornerback Trumaine Johnson
Seifert comment: Both players make sense as far as needs go. Johnson has gotten a lot of publicity in this draft despite playing at Montana. You would think he would have an immediate chance to start. Martin would get a year behind Jeff Backus.
 
23. Detroit Lions
Mel's picks: Stanford offensive lineman Jonathan Martin. Second round: Montana cornerback Trumaine Johnson
Seifert comment: Both players make sense as far as needs go. Johnson has gotten a lot of publicity in this draft despite playing at Montana. You would think he would have an immediate chance to start. Martin would get a year behind Jeff Backus.

I wouldn't complain if that were to happen. Could you post the whole draft please?
 
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3. Minnesota Vikings
Mel's picks:
USC offensive lineman Matt Kalil. Second round: Notre Dame safety Harrison Smith
Seifert comment: Smith is a borderline first-round pick. Getting a starting safety at the top of the second round would be nice value. As for Kalil, Mel remains in the camp that refuses to overthink the Vikings' choice at No. 3.

19. Chicago Bears
Mel's picks:
Illinois defensive end Whitney Mercilus. Second round: LSU receiver Rueben Randle
Seifert comment: Most mockers have dropped away from the idea of the Bears selecting a receiver in the first round, partially because Notre Dame's Michael Floyd figures to be long gone by No. 19. A lineman for either side of the ball seems reasonable, and getting Randle in the bottom third of the second round seems like a good value.

23. Detroit Lions
Mel's picks:
Stanford offensive lineman Jonathan Martin. Second round: Montana cornerback Trumaine Johnson
Seifert comment: Both players make sense as far as needs go. Johnson has gotten a lot of publicity in this draft despite playing at Montana. You would think he would have an immediate chance to start. Martin would get a year behind Jeff Backus.

28. Green Bay Packers
Mel's picks:
USC linebacker Nick Perry. Second round: Nebraska defensive lineman Jared Crick
Seifert comment: Defense, defense, defense. It's also notable that Mel didn't feel compelled to draft Wisconsin center Peter Konz for the Packers. I agree on that one.
 
Trumaine Johnson in the second LOOOOOOL!!! Anthony Davis REACH! Does Kiper think Millen is still in charge?

On top of that the dude couldn't stay eligible and went DON'T TAZE ME BRO at a house party last year.
 
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ya Walter has him late 3rd.....I like Josh Robinson as a round 2 CB if he happened to still be there.


edit: I see banks has Robinson now mocked to the Lions in the 1st.
 
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ya Walter has him late 3rd.....I like Josh Robinson as a round 2 CB if he happened to still be there.


edit: I see banks has Robinson now mocked to the Lions in the 1st.

I think a lot of mockers just say "Lions need a corner, just put one there" without factoring in Mayhew will take BPA. Gets a little frustrating. If you're getting paid, do a little homework on each team before mocking.

Even if Robinson was BPA on their board, they could trade back (even for very little) and easily get him.
 
IMO BPA for us includes CB , S , OL and possibly DE if one of the better ones falls and by saying Safety I think only Barron.

pretty much going to be a OL or CB.
 
IMO BPA for us includes CB , S , OL and possibly DE if one of the better ones falls and by saying Safety I think only Barron.

pretty much going to be a OL or CB.

Yeah. With the mocks I've seen, CB, S, OL, and DE are pretty much the best guys at 23.

I think someone really good will fall. Reiff, Coples, Martin, Barron, Glenn. Hope at least 1 of those 5 will be available.
 
I wouldn't complain if that were to happen. Could you post the whole draft please?

Indianapolis Colts:
*Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
No, the knowledge that Luck will be doing a private workout with the Colts doesn't change my thinking here. His pro day was as good as expected -- meaning, very good -- and Luck has little left to prove before draft day. I'll be interested to see if he and the Colts get something done contractually before the draft to further diffuse any suspense.



Washington Redskins (from Rams)
* Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
Last time I did a mock, the Redskins moved into this slot a day later. It wasn't an unexpected move, it was just a matter of which team was going to do it. Obviously, the Redskins see RG3 as a long-term answer, and I agree with the assessment that he can be an NFL starter in Week 1. Again, no surprises here.

Minnesota VikingsRecord: 3-13* Matt Kalil, OT, USC
This is one more I'm going to stick with. We know Minnesota needs an upgrade at left tackle, and Kalil is that rare rookie who doesn't need to spend some time on the right side. I think he can start his NFL career at left tackle and hold the position down, even though he'll face some serious competition in terms of NFC North pass-rushers. This pick is about giving Christian Ponder a chance to be successful.

Cleveland BrownsRecord: 4-12* Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
At his pro day, Richardson confirmed that his knee is just fine, and while we know a running back is always a risk this high, here is a player gifted enough, and with such a remarkable physical profile and skill-set that you're comfortable making him an exception to the trend. The Browns need an impact player at running back, and they can take the best one in the draft here, then look for a quarterback to push Colt McCoy later. They really only take a QB here if they feel he can beat out the one they have in Week 1. Richardson is going to make a difference.

Tampa Bay BuccaneersRecord:
* Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
A great player, an instinctive corner, a high-character kid and a guy that can make a sagging pass defense better from the day they draft him. What's not to like? Claiborne is hands down the best cover corner available in the draft, and the Bucs still need plenty of help with age and uncertainty dotting their secondary. This is a safe pick and a guy that should be very good for a long time.


St. Louis Rams (from Washington)
* Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma St.
The possibility remains that St. Louis could move off this spot, but if they stay here and get Blackmon, they'll immediately upgrade a huge weakness, which is the lack of talented options for Sam Bradford in the passing game. Blackmon's speed is adequate, but his smarts, ball skills, route-running and work habits translate to a guy that can contribute immediately, which is what this offense desperately needs.

Jacksonville Jaguars
Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
As versatile a defender as there is in the draft, Ingram provides immediate pass rush help to a Jacksonville defense that sorely needs it, and he offers great flexibility to any coaching staff that wants to mix up their looks, which is pretty much all of them. He isn't extraordinarily explosive, and has short arms, but he disengages very well and has an arsenal to attack blockers and opposing quarterbacks.

Miami Dolphins:
Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
We know Miami lacks a long-range plan at quarterback, and while Tannehill isn't a guy I'd endorse as an immediate starter, his ceiling is so high you can take him here with a plan in place because his rate of growth. His already sound mechanics and skill set imply a bright future. The talent isn't in question.

Carolina Panthers
* Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
A pick I'm sticking with. Carolina couldn't stop the run last year while rotating rookies on the interior. They need to find a force that can create stops. Poe has freakish athleticism that will inspire Haloti Ngata comparisons, but what I like here is the versatility. He's not just a 3-4 nose tackle -- he can be a dominant force in the 4-3 as well. Carolina could use a piece in the passing game, but they'll score points. Defense has to be a priority, starting up front.

Buffalo Bills
Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
Buffalo has passed on offensive line options in recent years, but Reiff would be a good option to buck the trend. The Bills have made big strides on the defensive side of the ball this offseason, and that allows them to focus on shoring up the offense. Reiff will help protect, but is a complete player and will provide a spark in the running game as well.

Kansas City Chiefs
* Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College
Kuechly is a rare talent at linebacker -- instinctive, explosive, able to make plays from sideline to sideline, but very sound in reading plays into the backfield and making stops. Kansas City has a need here, and Kuechly is a safe pick, a guy who can get on the field early and pick up the nuances of the NFL game right away. A tackling machine at linebacker, he'll make any defense better.

Seattle Seahawks
Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
Even if Kuechly is still on the board, it would be tough for Seattle to pass on perhaps the safest 4-3 DE option available. Coples has prototypical size, can play every down as a pass-rusher and has a solid arsenal of moves to get to opposing quarterbacks, but with the size and discipline to be a force against the run. Seattle can't go wrong here with either the top LB or DE available. This defense is close to being considered among the NFL's finest.

Arizona Cardinals
Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
Another pick I'll stick with, Floyd is a great complement to Larry Fitzgerald and will help Arizona maximize the options for Kevin Kolb. The offensive line could use help, but Floyd has proven that he'd be a good value here. Think of Atlanta getting Julio Jones to take some pressure off Roddy White last year. Floyd could fill a similar role.

Dallas CowboysRecord: 8-8Mark Barron, S, Alabama
Dallas was aggressive in getting a solid corner in free agency with the addition of Brandon Carr, but they still need help at safety to shore up the pass defense. I don't think another corner is out of the question at this spot, but Barron is the best safety in the draft, and the Cowboys can't go wrong if he's available. I can also see Dallas going offensive line here, as that unit could use some help, but Barron makes sense.

Philadelphia Eagles
* Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi St.
Disruptive and explosive from the interior, Cox is another player you can take without worries about a scheme fit. He has a chance to become a Pro Bowl player regardless of where you line him up inside. The Eagles simply have to become stronger against the run, and up the middle in general, and Cox should provide early dividends.

New York Jets
Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama
Rex Ryan should see Upshaw as a great fit for what he's trying to do on defense. Upshaw has size to hold up against the run even as a pass-rusher in a 3-4, making him an ideal fit here. He plays with a high motor, sheds blocks well with quickness and violent hands and he'll make plays all over. I do think the Jets could grab Barron if he's on the board. They could use a talent upgrade on defense in several spots.

Cincinnati Bengals (from Oakland)
* David DeCastro, G, Stanford
We've seen interior lineman come off the board in similar spots over the last two years to great results, and DeCastro would be no exception. An immediate help to the run game, he's strong but agile and will help shore up a Bengals rushing attack that has to do more to create positive down and distance situations.

San Diego Chargers
* Chandler Jones, OLB, Syracuse
Listed as a defensive end at Syracuse, Jones has the talent, upside and a great frame to make the move to OLB in a pass-rushing role. He's still a little raw, but the instincts are there and offensive lineman have a really tough time getting their hands on him. Could blossom into a star for the Chargers.

Chicago Bears
Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois
Quick off the edge, Mercilus utilizes great anticipation and some natural gifts as a pass-rusher, with closing speed and long arms once he has the quarterback in sight. He's coming off a brilliant final season for the Illini, and Rod Marinelli could do wonders with him. The Bears could use some pass-rushing insurance with Julius Peppers not getting any younger.

Tennessee Titans
* Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
The Titans lost their top cover corner in free agency, and Kirkpatrick has the talent and experience to contribute right away. Really tall for the position, people see his size and assume he'd become a safety, but he does everything a shorter corner can do, and will utilize his length to become a guy who can be left on an island against big targets, even in the red zone.

Cincinnati Bengals
* Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
The Bengals need to add depth at corner, and Gilmore is a natural fit. A starter since the day he stepped on campus at South Carolina, Gilmore is a smart, mature player who has good instincts, can be effective in press and will pick up concepts quickly. Tested well across the board, with no glaring weaknesses in his game.

Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta)
Cordy Glenn, G, Georgia
Cleveland gets the top runner in the draft at No. 4, and here it gets a great guard to open gaps on the inside. It's clear the Browns need options in the passing game, but becoming a team that sees a lot of second-and-4 situations will go a long way to making this offense more dangerous. Glenn is versatile and can be moved around, but he has the chance to dominate on the inside.

Detroit Lions
* Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
The Lions can't go wrong with either the best corner or tackle option here. In this scenario, Martin fits what they'll be looking for to bring the O-line up to par. An athletic tackle, he should develop into a great pass protector for Matthew Stafford. Jeff Backus has played forever, the Lions have enough pieces elsewhere and must target the line.

Pittsburgh Steelers
Dont'a Hightower, LB, Alabama
One more I'm sticking with from the previous mock, Hightower simply makes a lot of sense based on need and Dick LeBeau's scheme. Hightower was an exceptional young player for Bama, a guy who saw major time as a true freshman (no small feat in that program) before he lost a year with an ACL injury. He's recovered, and could become a star for the Steelers, with the size to hold up anywhere, and the athleticism to take on whatever role the Steelers need.

Denver Broncos
* Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
The LSU defense in 2011 was the kind of unit that makes you rewind the tape a lot. So many guys made so many plays, you have to go back and look at where it started. In many instances, it was with the disruptive Brockers, who can create havoc from the inside, blowing up the run and penetrating against the pass. Denver needs to strengthen the inside to complement a solid group of pass-rushers.

Houston Texans
* Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
Minus Andre Johnson for much of the past season, Houston's play-action game took a big hit. The Texans just couldn't stretch the field. Wright can be dangerous with or without Johnson. He'll challenge defenses deep, but can also work underneath and run after the catch. The Texans need more ammo in the passing game, and Wright will provide it.

New England Patriots (from Saints)
Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise St.
A player who has moved up boards during the draft process, he played with a hand on the ground at Boise State, but has enough athleticism and the smarts to transition to standing up on the edge in this type of a system. The Patriots have to work on the front seven in the draft, and McClellin is the type of heady player Bill Belichick can work with.

Green Bay Packers
* Nick Perry, LB, USC
By the end of last season, the Packers were sacking quarterbacks at a rate that was the worst in the NFL. They simply have to find players who can create matchup problems for offenses often trying to play catch-up via the pass. Perry is another convert option, but the Packers can do a lot with their looks and find a place for a pass-rusher with his upside.

Baltimore Ravens
Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
Sticking with this one from the previous mock. As I've said before, Matt Birk will need a replacement at center at some point (soon), and Konz is the best one available. The Ravens will want to get younger in some spots on defense, but they simply have to be better along the offensive line, which was a liability for much of last season.

San Francisco 49ers
Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
Hill is the biggest home-run threat in the draft when you combine his speed and size, and it's no secret the 49ers need some help at wide receiver, even with the additions of Randy Moss and Mario Manningham. He'll need an adjustment period as he gets used to doing more in terms of scheme than he was asked at Georgia Tech, but he's the kind of weapon this offense needs to expand.

New England Patriots: Derek Wolfe, DL, Cincinnati
Will fit best as a 3-4 DE, where he can use his size (6-5, 295) to become a disruptive pass-rusher. Not considered explosive in terms of foot speed, he plays with great leverage and can disrupt pockets by driving linemen back, demanding extra help. Another good fit for the Patriots as they add pieces up front.

New York Giants
Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
The best tight end on the board, Fleener has the speed to be used off the line, where he can become a matchup problem and further diversify an already strong passing attack. Fleener has great hands, fantastic route-running ability and will become a big threat in the red zone. The Giants also need offensive line help, or could target a linebacker here, but Fleener fits.
 
I'm not a scout but if Mark Barron is there you take him over all others. To me the guys ceiling is Ed Reed. As much as I want us to upgrade our OL, SS is our biggest weakness.

CB? Robinson is there because of his speed but he isn't a round 1 guy. The only full game tape I have seen on him was against Georgia in 2010 and it should have been renamed the AJ Green Highlight reel.

DE? Pray Vinny Curry falls to us in round 2. He won't be able to bullrush like he did in college but a guy with a non-stop motor, strength and leverage fits our MO.
 
I'm not a scout but if Mark Barron is there you take him over all others. To me the guys ceiling is Ed Reed. As much as I want us to upgrade our OL, SS is our biggest weakness.

CB? Robinson is there because of his speed but he isn't a round 1 guy. The only full game tape I have seen on him was against Georgia in 2010 and it should have been renamed the AJ Green Highlight reel.

DE? Pray Vinny Curry falls to us in round 2. He won't be able to bullrush like he did in college but a guy with a non-stop motor, strength and leverage fits our MO.

If Robinson falls to us in rd 2 i think its good value. Round 1 would be ridiculous and definitely would NOT follow the BPA format MM has shown in the past.

Curry in RD 2 would be a gift but i dont think he falls that far. The good thing about the DEs in this years draft is theyre all huge lol....many of them would be right up MM/Schwartzs alley in rd 2 including Crick at 279 lbs. Im still hoping for Mercilus in Rd 1 though.

Theres been a couple late rising OTs popping up in round 1 of recent mocks...i couldnt argue with a pick like that at this point.
 
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If Robinson falls to us in rd 2 i think its good value. Round 1 would be ridiculous and definitely would NOT follow the BPA format MM has shown in the past.

Curry in RD 2 would be a gift but i dont think he falls that far. The good thing about the DEs in this years draft is theyre all huge lol....many of them would be right up MM/Schwartzs alley in rd 2 including Crick at 279 lbs. Im still hoping for Mercilus in Rd 1 though.

Theres been a couple late rising OTs popping up in round 1 of recent mocks...i couldnt argue with a pick like that at this point.

Robinson would be a day 3 guy without that 4.3 combine. I don't want him in rounds 1 or 2. I'm sick of having a group of young cbs with "raw" talent (Aaron Berry I'm looking at you) and would like a cb with "actual" talent. Same with Trumaine Johnson. The diamonds in the rough were Millen's thing. The only round 1 guys worth taking at cb that may fall to us are Kirkpatrick, Gilmore, and Jenkins.
 
Of all the guys that are realistically shaping up to be there I'm still sticking to my guns and want Jenkins. Just think hes so talented as a cover man that I'm willing to throw out the red flags and hope he can keep his nose clean. Instantly becomes our best DB. I know the risk is high but I think the reward, if it pans out, is higher.

Can definitely live with BPA in the DB, OL, DE category though.
 
they are not going to bring a pot head into this locker room after having 3 of their 2011 draft choices now having weed busts....NOT A CHANCE.

IMO Jenkins isn't even on the draft board after this following week.
 
they are not going to bring a pot head into this locker room after having 3 of their 2011 draft choices now having weed busts....NOT A CHANCE.

IMO Jenkins isn't even on the draft board after this following week.

+1. His shadiness goes beyond pot...I like his talent but he won't be a Lion.

I'm starting to wonder if I'd be happy with this guy...

Dan Pompei of the Chicago Tribune predicts North Carolina DE Quinton Coples will "drop in the draft" because of off- and on-field concerns.
Pompei is a plugged-in national reporter who has also written for NBC Sports and National Football Post. "He has top-of-the-draft talent, but Coples doesn't always play like it," Pompei writes. "NFL scouts question his motor, his passion for the game and his coachability." Pompei even questions whether Coples would be worthy of the Bears' first-rounder at No. 19 overall.
 
its not like we can quantify it in any way but I would be willing to put a substantial amount of money on over 25% of the players that are gonna be drafted in the first round this year have smoked pot in the last 6 months. that's what college kids do, smoke pot, drink beer underage at parties and have unprotected sex with random skeezers.

anybody have a problem with Fairley up until a week ago? its just as likely the kid you want to draft is blazing as he was.

but yes, you're probably right. because Leshore, Fairley and Culbreth fucked up that takes Jenkins, "arguably" the best cover corner in the draft off of our board at 23. hope Bill Belichick, Ozzie Newsome or somebody enjoys Christmas in April.
 
its not like we can quantify it in any way but I would be willing to put a substantial amount of money on over 25% of the players that are gonna be drafted in the first round this year have smoked pot in the last 6 months. that's what college kids do, smoke pot, drink beer underage at parties and have unprotected sex with random skeezers.

anybody have a problem with Fairley up until a week ago? its just as likely the kid you want to draft is blazing as he was.

but yes, you're probably right. because Leshore, Fairley and Culbreth fucked up that takes Jenkins, "arguably" the best cover corner in the draft off of our board at 23. hope Bill Belichick, Ozzie Newsome or somebody enjoys Christmas in April.

I like how you put the quotes around "arguably". It allows for the spouting of nonsense with a free pass. Like I can say, Kathy Bates is "arguably" a handsome woman. Then if anyone calls me on it I can say, well I said "arguably".
 
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but its not a lie, cheeno, its a way to present a argument with a disclaimer that I'm leaving out information about said argument. on the flip side your statement is blatantly false to anybody with either a) a brain or b) a labido. Mike Mayock just a couple days ago was stating its his opinion that Jenkins is the best man cover corner in the draft and if he didn't have the character concerns he felt Jenkins would be hands down the #1 corner in the draft. now I don't particularly like appeal to authority arguments so I chose to leave it out, simple as that.

sorry that me presenting something in the appropriate manner seems to have offended you so much that you claim its "spouting nonsense" when its the farthest thing from it. maybe next time I should just say Jenkins is the best cover corner in the draft but then I have to come up with a list of seventy two hundred reasons to convince you and frankly I don't have the time or motivation to try and convince you or anybody else when its apparent you guys have no interest in hearing it so instead I chose the simple way of stating "arguably" to make it know I was leaving it up to opinion, particularly mine.
 
25% of the guys drafted don't have 3 arrests , 4 kids , or being booted out of a D1 school on their resume either....Jenkins has million dollar talent and a 10 cent head.
 
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