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Lions Current Roster Evaluation

detroit1811

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So to break this down and get a good idea of where this roster currently stands and what it may look like in the future I decided to break down the roster we currently have, player by player.

Quarterback

Jared Goff - Likely committed to him for 2022. Has recently shown progress and these final few weeks will determine if he deserves another shot in 2022.
Tim Boyle - Likely one and done as our back-up QB.
David Blough - He seems okay, but I would rather find another devlopmental #3 QB who has more theoretical upside.

We need to get a young QB in here, even if that means a later round pick. Would love to grab a guy like Desmond Ridder/Malik Willis on day 2 though.

Running Back/Fullback

DeAndre Swift - Already one of the best pass catching RB?s who is improving as a runner. Has Alvin Kamara level upside and is a very good building block.
Jamaal Williams - Jack of all trade master of none type. His energy is infectious though, and he makes for great depth.
Jemar Jefferson - Has shown promise in limited opportunities. Nice depth piece.
Godwin Igwebuike - Just starting to learn the position. Very versatile backup who should stick around.
Jason Cabinda - Versatile fullback who is still growing into his position. No need to upgrade here, IMO.

One of the best and deepest postitions on this roster. I would be perfectly fine if we didn?t make any additions here for 2022.

Wide Receiver

Josh Reynolds - Should be re-signed for cheap as a guy who Goff likes and is familiar with. Should not be counted on as a starter though.
Amon-Ra St. Brown - Love the way he is developing and he is looking like he will be a very good slot guy for this team.
Quintez Cephus - Perhaps our best WR before he got hurt. Reminds he a lot of Anquan Boldin late in his career as a big slot.
Kalif Raymond - Has definitely cooled off after a solid run to start the season. Can be brought back as cheap depth and KR/PR competition.
KhaDarel Hodge - Should not be on the 2022 roster
Tom Kennedy - Should not be on the 2022 roster
Trinity Benson - Coaches seem to like him, but I haven?t seen anything from him. Will get a chance to compete in 2022, but we should be good enough at WR by then where he doesn?t make the team.

We need to bring in a reliable FA WR and draft one high. Let those two as well as Cephus and Reynolds compete for the outside starting roles. Cephus would also be the top back-up for Amon-Ra as well. Love the potential depth here if we add a top rookie and very good vet.

Tight End

T.J. Hockenson - Has not developed like I had hoped, but he is the defenses primary focus. Still believe he possesses top 3 TE upside and is already a top 10 guy. A deep threat at WR will take a lot of pressure off of him.
Brock Wright - He has honestly surprised me with his blocking, and seems to be a decent pass catcher as well. Can definitely upgrade from him at #2 TE, but he can stick around as the #3.
Hunter Bryant - Could carve out a niche role as a situational pass catching TE or be cut. Definitely worth getting a look at training camp.

Hockenson still has not reached his potential, but he has proven to be a very good TE. I am hoping getting some better WR?s will make his life easiesr and he can turn into a Kittle type TE for us. I would love to add a back-up veteran TE like Mo-Alie Cox. I think Wright and Bryant is worthwhile depth to battle it out for the #3 TE spot.

Offensive Tackles

Taylor Decker - Has steadily improved since coming back. May not be elite at LT, but it damn close.
Penei Sewell - I pegged him as a future HOF tackle before we even took him and I don?t see any reason to let up on that.
Tyrell Crosby - He is a FA and I doubt we bring him back. Would make for solid depth though.
Matt Nelson - Is cheap and has plenty of starting experience. Loved the way he looked in the jumbo package and think he has devloped into a quality swing tackle.
Will Holden - May not make the roster in 2022.

We may add a tackle to compete for backup duties, but don?t see much beyond that. Position is pretty much set for 2022.

Offensive Guard/Centers

Frank Ragnow - Best center in the league, hands down.
Jonah Jackson - Has steadily improved this year. Don?t know if he will ever be elite, but he is a solid starter and should only get better.
Halapoulivaati Vatai - Has been adequate this year. May or may not be back in 2022. Definitely the weak link on the line, but that has more to do with having very good players around him.
Evan Brown - Could not have asked for much better play out of a guy who was competing for a roster spot. Excellent depth as center and could challenge for the spot at RG.
Tommy Kraemer - Has not looked awful in his first two starts as a UDFA. Definitely has room to grow and could be solid cheap depth for us.
Logan Stenberg - I thought he possessed some upside when we took him, but I haven?t seen anything. Will likely stick around on a cheap contract, but may not make it out of camp.
Ryan McCollum - Practice squad at best in 2022.

The best grouping on the entire team. We have players at LT, C, and RT who legitimately have All-Pro capabilities (Decker to a lesser extent). Jonah Jackson is developing into a very good guard, and Vatai is at least decent on the other side. We also have some solid depth here as well.

Defensive End/Defensive Tackle

Michael Brockers - Great veteran presence and leader, but his play has been below average at best. Hopefully with another year in the system and better players around him he can get back to form as we are committed to him in 2022.
Nick Williams - Should not be back in 2022
Levi Onwuzurike - Has flashed, but also been very inconsistent. Is a big unknown heading into year 2, but possesses a lot of upside.
Alim McNeil - Has also been inconsistent, but has shown a lot of growth too. I have much more confidence in him becoming a solid starting NT in year 2. Hoping he can develop into the next Damon Harrison, but he has a very long way to go.
John Penisini - Great depth piece behind Alim McNeil on a cheap contract.
Kevin Strong - Should not be back in 2022

These guys are a huge question mark heading into 2022. Would love to be able to add another player here to elevate this group. Hutchinson would probably be an edge rusher here if we took him, but I could see him dropping down on the line in obvious passing situations. Levi and Alim developing will make or break this unit in 2022.

Edge Rushers

Trey Flowers - Has to be a cap casualty.
Romeo Okwara - Unknown coming off injury, but I wouldn?t bet against him. If he can return to form, it will be a huge boost to this unit in 2022.
Charles Harris - Will he be brought back in FA? He has been a steady presence this year and provide really nice depth in case Okwara struggles in his return from injury.
Julian Okwara - Might be the most talented pass rusher on this roster. I hope he continues his ascent, but as it stands now he is a very nice depth piece, and talented nickel rusher.
Austin Bryant - This guy has really surprised me this year. With one year remaining on his rookie contract he should be back to provide some depth.
Jesse Lemonier - Should not be on the 2022 roster.
Rashod Berry - Should not be on the 2022 roster.

Desperately missing an alpha here. If you add Hutchinson to this group and Okwara can return from pre-injury form we could really be cooking with something. Could easilly turn into one of the best groups on the roster.

Inside Linebackers

Alex Anzalone - Campbell loves this guy and I can see why. He has a passion for the game that I love and those guys are good to have around. He should be cheap to bring back in FA and I would be all for it. Should only be a role player in 2022 however and if he is playing a ton of snaps in 2022 I would deem that a failure.
Derrick Barnes - Man does this guy flash. He is obviously inconsistent and need to develop, but man I will be excited if he does. I still would not put all my eggs in his basket for 2022, as he has a long way to go.
Jalen Reeves-Mabin - Love this guy. He is another one who should be back at a reasonable price tag as an elite special teamer and someone who looked alright when he got meaningful defensive snaps.
Anthony Pittman - Practice Squad.
Josh Woods - Should not be on the roster in 2022.
Shaun Dion Hamilton - Unlikely to make the roster in 2022.

Cornerbacks

Jeffrey Okudah - Biggest question mark in 2022. Guy has so much talent and by all accounts had a fantastic off-season. How he returns from the achilles injuries will be one of the biggest storylines in 2022.
Amani Oruwariye - Has steadily improved every year. He profiles as a very solid #2 CB who is showing some really good ball skills.
Jerry Jacobs - Not sure what to make of Jacobs. He has defied all odds this year and has looked like a keeper. As a UDFA who wasn?t expected to make the roster playing a position where most rookies struggle, he has looked surpisingly good. At the very least he makes for excellent depth.
Ifeatu Melifonwu - These last few weeks will tell us a lot about him.
A.J. Parker - Came out of nowhere and started the season strong. Definitely hit the rookie wall pretty quick, but was starting to play well again before getting hurt. Is the early favorite to be our starting nickel in 2022.
Mark Gilbert - Played surprisingly well when given the opportunity, but most likely is practice squad material.
Bobby Price - Awesome athletic traits, but is probably a practice squad guy at best. May do better in a less crowded group at safety.

Love the talent and depth here. I think a solid veteran to help the young guys along and bring insurance in case Okudah can?t come back from injury is needed. Could be one of our best groups in 2022.

Safeties

Tracy Walker - Love this guy. His play has been far from perfect, but just love the way he plays and the energy he brings. Depending on his price tag I would love to bring him back. He is still growing and with a better supporting cast around him I think he will develop into a top safety.
Will Harris - He has actually improved over the last month compared to the rest of his career. With a cheap contract he may be back on 2022, but he should not be playing meanful snaps.
Dean Marlowe - He should not be brought back
C.J. Moore - Core special teamer, may or may not be back.
Jalen Elliot - Has some talent, but will likely be competing for a roster spot as a special teamer.

With Walker a free agent this is probably even a weaker group then WR. Would love to bring back Walker, sign Marcus Williams and even draft a guy in the middle rounds.

Speicalists

Riley Patterson - He absolutely drileld that 49 yarder. Didn?t realize he had that big a leg. Lets see how he finishes the year.
Austin Seibert - Was reasonable while he was healthy.
Jack Fox - Best punter in the NFL.
Scott Daly - Haven?t noticed him this year which is a good thing.

Obviously Jack Fox is Jack Fox. Daly should also return. Lets see how the rest of this year shakes out, but we may go into camp with Seibert and Patterson competing for the starting kicker spot.

If there is anyone I did not add I don?t see them as having any type of potential future here.
 
This does not need to be this long. They all suck. Need upgrades everywhere. Theres very few guys id keep to be honest:
Id keep our starting OL
Id keep Levi and Mcneil because they are rookies
Id keep Barnes as a quality back up
Id keep Jacobs as a Nickel
Id keep Walker

Id literally be fine getting rid of every other single person on the team. Im sure Swift will come up in a response to this. My take on Swift is hes a great receiving threat in space. Hes not a very good runner. He has "home-run" ability other do not on this team. He'd best be used as a wing back with JWill on the field with him....something we dont do. All that said i simply dont believe in paying RBs a 2nd contract. As you can see when hes out...our run game is actually as good or better. You obviously dont cut him....but if a contender wanted to give up a 2nd round pick for him id do it in a second.
 
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My Mock Draft:
1a Hutchinson DE
1b Jameson Williams WR
2 Devin Lloyd LB
3a Brandon Joseph S
3b TBD
 
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Add number 1 wr (rams pick), one safety, two cover and run ilbs with Barnes, JRM back for special teams, vet cb but like the 4 young guys plus okudah, rookie late 1st early 2nd qb, and one game changing defensive play maker most likely thibs or hutchinson

But get a good qb coach in here to help the rookie amd Goff
 
Add number 1 wr (rams pick), one safety, two cover and run ilbs with Barnes, JRM back for special teams, vet cb but like the 4 young guys plus okudah, rookie late 1st early 2nd qb, and one game changing defensive play maker most likely thibs or hutchinson

But get a good qb coach in here to help the rookie amd Goff

I really wanna see if Campbell will actually good his staff accountable. Obviously there are things we don?t know from our perspective, but Lynn, Brunel, and Todd Wash all need replaced in my mind. Wash has not made any strides with his players and the veterans he has have regressed under his watch. Brunell has done nothing to improve any of the QBs on this roster and Lynn is obviously someone who should go.
 
Love the 1st 3 picks. Jameson Williams is Devonta Smith with better quickness and a 5th gear.

As much as I would love with these picks it would take a minor miracle for Jameson Williams to be there with the Rams pick and Lloyd in the 2nd. Literally the #1 edge, #1 WR, and #1 LB'er in this draft IMO.

If we could add a Mike Williams/Allen Robinson in FA and follow that up with Jameson Williams we could go from the worst WR unit to top 10. Reynolds, Amon Ra, and Cephus make for a very good 3-5, IMO.
 
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As much as I would love with these picks it would take a minor miracle for Jameson Williams to be there with the Rams pick and Lloyd in the 2nd. Literally the #1 edge, #1 WR, and #1 LB'er in this draft IMO.

If we could add a Mike Williams/Allen Robinson in FA and follow that up with Jameson Williams we could go from the worst WR unit to top 10. Reynolds, Amon Ra, and Cephus make for a very good 3-5, IMO.

Agree...even from 9 days ago Jameson Williams stock has rose drastically. By the time the process is over he will be a top 10 guy imo. Only Garrett Wilson may be taken over him. If Jameson, Wilson and Treylon Burks are off the board you switch to BPA LB between Nakobe Dean and Devin Lloyd. No way Lloyd makes it to rd 2 anymore either lol.
 
I see Hockenson is out for the year. I wonder how long it will be until they shut Swift down
 
I see Hockenson is out for the year. I wonder how long it will be until they shut Swift down

Hopefully won't be long. No reason to bring him back.

He is at 986 total yards. I bet he wants that 1000. I can see him playing sparingly through the last 2 games to get there. I mean, we do have Williams and that Reynolds kid looked pretty good last week but I can see us giving Swift 3-5 carries and a couple catches a game in weeks 17-18
 
QB - Goff will be here. Boyle and Blough can go. I would rather have latevrd pick or udfa like JT Daniel's or Brock Purdy as backup.

RB - Swift,Williams, Jefferson, Reynolds and Cabinda should all be brought back

WR - St Brown, J. Reynolds and Cephus. Scrap everyone else. Needs massive upgrades thr draft and free agency.

TE - Hock and Wright solid group.

OT - Decker and Sewell are cemented as starters. Nelson should return.

OG/C - Ragnow, Jackson, Brown and Kraemer should return. Bye bye Vaitai.

DE/DT - Brockers, McNeil, Levi come back. Penisini is decent depth.

Edge - Flowers has to go. Too much money for not enough production from the edge. Okwara x2,Harris come back. Bryant is cheap depth.

LBs - Anzalone, JRM and Barnes plus added depth from draft and free agency.

CBs- Okudah, Amani, Jacobs, Parker and Ife return. Upgrades and quality depth needed.

S - Walker needs to be retained. No one else worth keeping. Harris will be here because he is cheap.

Special teams-
K - Patterson has earned the incumbent spot.
P - Fox is pro bowl material
LS - Daly - I haven't heard his name which is a good thing in that spot.

That's 39 players. Leaves 14 spots for game day. We have 9 picks.

I see at least 4 holes at starting spots. Many more spots needing upgrades.

I would love to find 4 starters from the draft and udfa and 3 impact free agent starters from this off-season. This could lead to a .500 record.
 
They just restructured vatai...yesterday I think. I'm assuming that means it will be nearly impossible to move on from him.
 
They seem to cover alot with their safeties. I wonder if Dax Hill wouldn't be a good target at the top of rd 2. Only if wr and edge was addressed in rd1. If you still need a wr in rd2 I wouldn't do it.

Brockers mcneil levi Hutch
Harris anzalone Lloyd
Okudah walker Hill Amani

Quality depth: okwara x2, Barnes, jrm, jacobs

Lloyd is probably a pipe dream at this point. Nakobe Dean could be the guy that drops to us with the rams pick.
 
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They just restructured vatai...yesterday I think. I'm assuming that means it will be nearly impossible to move on from him.

The restructure doesn't change anything as far as cutting Vaitai this offseason. Although I think the staff likes him and he is most likely not going to be cut this off-season.
 
They just restructured vatai...yesterday I think. I'm assuming that means it will be nearly impossible to move on from him.

They freed up $1 million this year to finish out the season for COVID-related signings it looks like.

Adds about 300k to cap hit for each of 22, 23, 24, will still be a cap savings in each of those years, just not as much now.

Cap savings if cut in 2022 will be 3.5 mil now instead of 4.2 mil.

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2021...aati-vaitai-contract-salary-cap-room-savings/
 
Campell praised Vaitai but that cap hit may be too much. Will see what they do. He is average but paid 9 per but he adds to our run game. Less in pass pro which makes him average. Tackle depth too though

If they want to focus on qb, wrs, defense i could see them keeping vaitai and just dumping flowers. Have the room either way

Harris, Walker, JRM will all depend on price tag. Want them back but at right price. Harris less needed if they go olb at pick 2. Hutch, Okwara,Okwara and Bryant is enough if Harris too costly and Flowers gone

Wonder if anyone gives like a 4th or 5th for Flowers. Depends on his base salary and roster bonus for the new team

Looks like 17 mil and 18 mil to take on Flowers in a trade in 2022 and 2023. 10.8 gained after dead when we cut him
 
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Campell praised Vaitai but that cap hit may be too much. Will see what they do. He is average but paid 9 per but he adds to our run game. Less in pass pro which makes him average. Tackle depth too though

If they want to focus on qb, wrs, defense i could see them keeping vaitai and just dumping flowers. Have the room either way

Harris, Walker, JRM will all depend on price tag. Want them back but at right price. Harris less needed if they go olb at pick 2. Hutch, Okwara,Okwara and Bryant is enough if Harris too costly and Flowers gone

Wonder if anyone gives like a 4th or 5th for Flowers. Depends on his base salary and roster bonus for the new team

Looks like 17 mil and 18 mil to take on Flowers in a trade in 2022 and 2023. 10.8 gained after dead when we cut him

No one is trading for Flowers. Zero chance.
 
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