Noter Dame SUCKS

[TheVictors]

now and always ?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...rated-in-first-rankings-ahead-of-2021-season/

Rudy was a Bitch!

 

[byco42]

now and always ?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...rated-in-first-rankings-ahead-of-2021-season/

Rudy was a Bitch!

Rudy was no Don Warner.

 

[thewolverines24]

Worst sports movie of all time. I'd rather watch Necessary Roughness with Sinbad.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Why haven't we had a Noter Dame SUCKS thread before. That seems natural.

 

[Michchamp]

Why haven't we had a Noter Dame SUCKS thread before. That seems natural.

In a way, every thread on this board is a Notre Dame Sucks thread, except for those times when some jackass shows up braying about how the '66 game between ND and State (a freaking TIE!) was the greatest of all time.

 

[byco42]

In a way, every thread on this board is a Notre Dame Sucks thread, except for those times when some jackass shows up braying about how the '66 game between ND and State (a freaking TIE!) was the greatest of all time.

It's definitely one of the most famous and notable. For the feverish buildup that started months before the game and for the ironic outcome, enabled in part by Ara's refusal to try and win the game when he had the ball in the game's final possession. And for the fact that two of ND's best players (Nick Eddy and Terry Hanratty) were not involved (Eddy injured his shoulder debarking (sic) from the train and Hanratty's shoulder was separated by Bubba Smith in the first quarter). As a game itself, it was a mistake-laden train wreck, with the singular advantage that it was close and the opponents were ranked #1 and #2.

This is a superior treatment of the game in SI. Link

"...the 10-10 tie that destiny seemed to be demanding had a strange, noble quality to it. And then it did not have that anymore. For the people who saw it under the cold, dreary clouds or on national television, suddenly all it had was this enormous emptiness for which the Irish will be forever blamed."​

Because they sat on the football at the end.

EDIT: And Duffy made this prescient statement, 50 years before its time, or maybe this talk was commonplace and was ignored.

"They certainly thought the game was an honor and a privilege. Parseghian said it looked like a product of Hollywood since Notre Dame was 8-0 and No. 1 and Michigan State was 9-0 and No. 2. Daugherty said it was a shame that such games come along only every few years in college football; that there could be one every year if the NCAA would only hold a football playoff."​

 

[Michchamp]

That MSU team was all paid-for talent, too. In Walter Byers' book, he relates how MSU joined the Big Ten and got competitive quickly by using a slush fund to buy talent, justifying it by claiming Michigan, et. al. had a 50 year head start on them. This was all part of then-president Hannah's goal of turning the agriculture college into a major world university in a couple years. (MSU also produced this cursed monstrosity during the 60's so we can blame them for Vietnam as well.)

I guess MSU football's recruiting slush fund was so blatant that ND, UM, and OSU all frequently complained to the NCAA and Big Ten conference. MSU eventually fessed up, and was slapped with major sanctions in 1975 (interestingly, their wikipedia page makes no mention of it), and were under a Bowl ban for several years

In the book he says for whatever reason, the reporters covering MSU football only blamed OSU and specifically Woody Hayes for the hammer coming down. There were so many threats against his person that when OSU played in East Lansing in 1975, the Michigan State Police had to provide him with a security detail, and had one of their tallest officers escort him on to the field.

In the book he said when Woody came out of the tunnel, all of Spartan Stadium started booing him, and he turned to the state trooper, looked up and said something like "Seems like they really hate you for some reason"

OSU won 21-0. that was also the last time Woody was "witty" on the field and not a raving lunatic, punching players, tearing up markers and threatening officials.

Sorry for leaving this in the ND sucks thread, but maybe it's fitting because ND likes to pretend their MSU rivalry is such a big deal, to downplay their record in the rivalry against us.

 

[Gulo Blue]

(MSU also produced this cursed monstrosity during the 60's so we can blame them for Vietnam as well.)

What was this supposed to link to? It's just an archive.

 

[Michchamp]

What was this supposed to link to? It's just an archive.

From the link:

Most of these materials date from 1955-1962, when Michigan State University led a range of US-funded technical assistance programs in South Vietnam for the purpose of producing a stable non-Communist ally in Southeast Asia.​

That worked out really well. Way to go MSU.

 

[byco42]

That MSU team was all paid-for talent, too. In Walter Byers' book, he relates how MSU joined the Big Ten and got competitive quickly by using a slush fund to buy talent, justifying it by claiming Michigan, et. al. had a 50 year head start on them. This was all part of then-president Hannah's goal of turning the agriculture college into a major world university in a couple years. (MSU also produced this cursed monstrosity during the 60's so we can blame them for Vietnam as well.)

I have also read that MSU was ahead of the curve in recruiting Black players from the south, starting the practice in the 1950s. The added incentive of compensation was probably a factor.

I guess MSU football's recruiting slush fund was so blatant that ND, UM, and OSU all frequently complained to the NCAA and Big Ten conference. MSU eventually fessed up, and was slapped with major sanctions in 1975 (interestingly, their wikipedia page makes no mention of it), and were under a Bowl ban for several years

*Namedropping* I asked Gibson in the days we played hockey together why he went to MSU in the wake of the scandal and he said he didn?t know about it. Meaning it was withheld from him and the other recruits. He also said that Michigan was not interested in him, either, and that that ?drove? him to MSU in spite. Once the scandal broke, he didn?t want to lose a year of eligibility and transfer. He got the final laugh when MSU beat M 24-15 in 1978.

In the book he says for whatever reason, the reporters covering MSU football only blamed OSU and specifically Woody Hayes for the hammer coming down. There were so many threats against his person that when OSU played in East Lansing in 1975, the Michigan State Police had to provide him with a security detail, and had one of their tallest officers escort him on to the field.

In the book he said when Woody came out of the tunnel, all of Spartan Stadium started booing him, and he turned to the state trooper, looked up and said something like "Seems like they really hate you for some reason"

OSU won 21-0. that was also the last time Woody was "witty" on the field and not a raving lunatic, punching players, tearing up markers and threatening officials.

Sorry for leaving this in the ND sucks thread, but maybe it's fitting because ND likes to pretend their MSU rivalry is such a big deal, to downplay their record in the rivalry against us.

That ?75 game was a season-opener for both schools and the vitriol was think in the approaching week, also fueled by MSUs controversial win the year before. MSU was confident it would win and OSU thrashed them.

Si Vault Story

Link to actual SI Issue

The closing image in the article is pretty funny, then, and now.

 

[Gulo Blue]

From the link:

Most of these materials date from 1955-1962, when Michigan State University led a range of US-funded technical assistance programs in South Vietnam for the purpose of producing a stable non-Communist ally in Southeast Asia.​

That worked out really well. Way to go MSU.

Technical assistance programs doesn't sound bad, but what the MSUG called technical assistance wasn't all hospitals and farming methods

"The MSUG?s National Institute of Administration (NIA) is founded in Saigon to train Vietnamese in American-style political administration"

"MSUG police training programs were most active between 1956 and 1958, before the United States Operating Mission began assuming more responsibility"

 

[Michchamp]

...
Si Vault Story

Link to actual SI Issue

The closing image in the article is pretty funny, then, and now.

typical spartan QB:

No Spartan suffered more than Quarterback Charlie Baggett, who, besides the interceptions, lost a fumble, fell down after receiving a snap, threw a pass after crossing the line of scrimmage and totaled but 58 yards. By Ohio State's reckoning, Baggett got no less than he deserved. For weeks leading up to the showdown he had flatly proclaimed that Michigan State would win and that he is the top quarterback in the nation​

 

[Michchamp]

Technical assistance programs doesn't sound bad, but what the MSUG called technical assistance wasn't all hospitals and farming methods

"The MSUG?s National Institute of Administration (NIA) is founded in Saigon to train Vietnamese in American-style political administration"

"MSUG police training programs were most active between 1956 and 1958, before the United States Operating Mission began assuming more responsibility"

kinda wonder what old Ho Chi Minh's reaction was after hearing the US put Michigan State in charge of planning their strategy, eh?

I assume a lot of laughs, and a beer-with-ice-in-it toast (they put ice in their beer there)