Obamacare has all ready doubled in cost

[cheeno]

guess how much a broken ankle costs in Canada........


not a fucking dime....we're socialist bastards eh

News to every provincial budget maker.

 

[lions2011]

guess how much a broken ankle costs in Canada........


not a fucking dime....we're socialist bastards eh

News to every provincial budget maker.

doesn't cost me a dime out of pocket.....

 

[tsmith7559]

News to every provincial budget maker.

doesn't cost me a dime out of pocket.....

oh, you pay no taxes eh? LOL....you would be better off having your own insurance policy

 

[cheeno]

News to every provincial budget maker.

doesn't cost me a dime out of pocket.....

HST, Income?

 

[cheeno]

"The key to constraining the overall growth in program pending hinges on the province

 

[lions2011]

[quote="cheeno":251ws1y8]"The key to constraining the overall growth in program pending hinges on the province

 

[cheeno]

[quote="SLICK":wvo23m86]
[quote="cheeno":wvo23m86]"The key to constraining the overall growth in program pending hinges on the province

 

[lions2011]

Michael Moore....lol

nope , dude on page 1 of the thread said he broke his foot and had to have surgery...cost him 30+ grand.

the cost maybe buried in my taxes here.....but like I said I dont have to worry about the bill.

 

[cheeno]

Michael Moore....lol

nope , dude on page 1 of the thread said he broke his foot and had to have surgery...cost him 30+ grand.

the cost maybe buried in my taxes here.....but like I said I dont have to worry about the bill.

The taxes are the bill. Instead of paying $7,000 out of pocket (dude on page 1) you are paying roughly half of every dollar that goes to taxes every time you buy something or get a paycheck. If you put that kind of money into an insurance plan in the US you would have pretty nice coverage.

That's not the point though. The point is with taxes there is only so much of the pie that can go to healthcare. As need increases either the pie gets bigger or spending on essential services gets smaller. That is the current problem with public healthcare in Canada. One that the Canadian government needs (but won't address).

 

[lions2011]

Michael Moore....lol

nope , dude on page 1 of the thread said he broke his foot and had to have surgery...cost him 30+ grand.

the cost maybe buried in my taxes here.....but like I said I dont have to worry about the bill.

The taxes are the bill. Instead of paying $7,000 out of pocket (dude on page 1) you are paying roughly half of every dollar that goes to taxes every time you buy something or get a paycheck. If you put that kind of money into an insurance plan in the US you would have pretty nice coverage.

That's not the point though. The point is with taxes there is only so much of the pie that can go to healthcare. As need increases either the pie gets bigger or spending on essential services gets smaller. That is the current problem with public healthcare in Canada. One that the Canadian government needs (but won't address).

my taxes have been the same now for the last 4 years....sure I write a check every year to the Gov't....but hey thats the cost of doing buisness.

I have zero complaints...I live well with a wife and child....kid gets a good education , he gets sick he see's the Dr the very next day.

my point is....if something happens , I dont have to have a bulk of cash on hand to pay the Dr.

would Canada be better off if you could go out and hunt your own insurance down and just pay the premiums and deductible , maybe but at what cost...how many millions would have no coverage at all ?

 

[cheeno]

The taxes are the bill. Instead of paying $7,000 out of pocket (dude on page 1) you are paying roughly half of every dollar that goes to taxes every time you buy something or get a paycheck. If you put that kind of money into an insurance plan in the US you would have pretty nice coverage.

That's not the point though. The point is with taxes there is only so much of the pie that can go to healthcare. As need increases either the pie gets bigger or spending on essential services gets smaller. That is the current problem with public healthcare in Canada. One that the Canadian government needs (but won't address).

my taxes have been the same now for the last 4 years....sure I write a check every year to the Gov't....but hey thats the cost of doing buisness.

I have zero complaints...I live well with a wife and child....kid gets a good education , he gets sick he see's the Dr the very next day.

my point is....if something happens , I dont have to have a bulk of cash on hand to pay the Dr.

would Canada be better off if you could go out and hunt your own insurance down and just pay the premiums and deductible , maybe but at what cost...how many millions would have no coverage at all ?

I couldn't agree more with all your statements. AND I am in favor of universal healthcare. (who wouldn't? other than 'let them die" Libertarians) But you are talking about now, rather than the future. You can't be so shortsighted to not understand my pie example above?

My two original points were: you pay for healthcare in Canada; the healthcare burden will grow (to perhaps unsustainable levels) in the future.

 

[lions2011]

I understand your points.....I know I pay for healthcare...lol , and the taxes are fucked up over here....maybe being a part of the upper % of middle class blinds me to it.

I guess all I was saying was having it be part of your taxes year in and year out is better then having to pay the lump sum of cash if something happens to you or your family like what happened to the dude on pg 1.

 

[cheeno]

I understand your points.....I know I pay for healthcare...lol , and the taxes are fucked up over here....maybe being a part of the upper % of middle class blinds me to it.

I guess all I was saying was having it be part of your taxes year in and year out is better then having to pay the lump sum of cash if something happens to you or your family like what happened to the dude on pg 1.

I agree. Healthcare is one place I can definitely get on board with collectivism over individualism. I'm not sure that would fly in the States where individualism is more prevalent and the national debt astronmical.

 

[byco42]

Listening to the Supreme Court presentations is Comedy in Progress.

 

[redandguilty]

I agree. Healthcare is one place I can definitely get on board with collectivism over individualism. I'm not sure that would fly in the States where individualism is more prevalent and the national debt astronmical.

I'm skeptical that we would have as much success in terms of medical advances in a collectivist system. What we need is a 2-tiered system. The established types of care that we are able to afford should be subsidized by the government. A lot of it subsidized at 100%. New, expensive forms of care should be left up to individuals, and that's what insurance should be for.

I'm also not sure how the national debt varies from state-to-state.