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Its not really a specific trait of either political side. These days, basically everyone is intolerant of at least some group of people for some reason.
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Religion sucks
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there are a couple plumbers fixing some pipes in my basement and the drain pipe in my kitchen right now. they have a big ole Jesus fish on their van.
they're not overcharging me as much as I thought they would... maybe because they're Christians.
they're not overcharging me as much as I thought they would... maybe because they're Christians.
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As for me, theres two things I can't stand: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the DUTCH!
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after I paid him, the guy said "thank you and god bless you" and gave me a hug. that was nice. I still don't believe in his christian god, but it's okay.
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Hold opinions that are different? How about believing in fairytales? It's hard to tolerate people who deny evolution in favor of magic.
i really think you need to rethink the scientology ranking you have submitted. rank the others however you want, but scientology is just so off the charts wacko, it goes way beyond sucking.
evolution COULD be the result of Intelligent Design though. I'm not saying it absolutely is, I believe that it is. I've just studied way too much science to not see all of the formulas, theories, laws, and beauty as the work of G-d, for there is too much structure for it to be explained by random chance for me.
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How Many Human Beings Has Organized Religion Killed?
I have no idea what the number is but it must be a lot...
Atrocities Committed in the Name of Religion.
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Throughout history religion has been used as an excuse, or driving force, for some of the worst atrocities imaginable. From pre-history to modern history, religion is, for many people, just an excuse to kill other people. This list highlights eight of the worst atrocities
in no order
Buddhist Burma
Human sacrifices were still occurring in Buddhist Burma in the 1850s. When the capital was moved to Mandalay, 56 “spotless” men were buried beneath the new city walls to sanctify and protect the city. When two of the burial spots were later found empty, royal astrologers decreed that 500 men, women, boys, and girls must be killed and buried at once, or the capital must be abandoned. About 100 were actually buried before British governors stopped the ceremonies.
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Thuggee Murders
Members of lndia’s Thuggee sect strangled people as sacrifices to appease the bloodthirsty goddess Kali, a practice beginning in the 1500s. The number of victims has been estimated to be as high as 2 million. Thugs were claiming about 20,000 lives a year in the 1800s until British rulers stamped them out. At a trial in 1840, one Thug was accused of killing 931 people. Today, some Hindu priests still sacrifice goats to Kali.
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Mountain Meadows Massacre
The Mountain Meadows massacre was a mass killing of the Fancher-Baker wagon train at Mountain Meadows in Utah Territory on September 11, 1857, by a group of Mormons and Paiute Indians. The Arkansas emigrants were traveling to California shortly before Utah War started. Mormons throughout the Utah Territory had been mustered to fight the invading United States Army, which they believed was intended to destroy them as a people. Initially intending to orchestrate an Indian massacre, two men with leadership roles in local military, church and government organizations, Isaac C. Haight and John D. Lee, conspired for Lee to lead militiamen disguised as Native Americans along with a contingent of Paiute tribesmen in an attack.
The emigrants fought back and a siege ensued. Intending to leave no witnesses of Mormon complicity in the siege and avoid reprisals complicating the Utah War, militiamen induced the emigrants to surrender and give up their weapons. After escorting the emigrants out of their fortification, the militiamen and their tribesmen auxiliaries executed approximately 120 men, women and children.
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The Inquisition
The Medieval Inquisition is a series of Inquisitions (Roman Catholic Church bodies charged with suppressing heresy) from around 1184, including the Episcopal Inquisition (1184-1230s) and later the Papal Inquisition (1230s). It was in response to large popular movements throughout Europe considered apostate or heretical to Christianity, in particular Catharism and Waldensians in southern France and northern Italy. These were the first inquisition movements of many that would follow.
Torture was used after 1252. On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled Ad exstirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by inquisitors. The Inquisitors were forbidden to use methods that resulted in bloodshed, mutilation or death. One of the more common forms of medieval inquisition torture was known as strappado. The hands were bound behind the back with a rope, and the accused was suspended this way, dislocating the joints painfully in both arms. Weights could be added to the legs dislocating those joints as well.
The organization is still active today under the name of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Prior to becoming Pope Benedict XVI, Cardinal Ratzinger was the head of the congregation.
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The Witch Hunts
When Puritans settled in Massachusetts in the 1600s, they created a religious police state where doctrinal deviation could lead to flogging, pillorying, hanging, cutting off ears, or boring through the tongue with a hot iron. Preaching Quaker beliefs was a capital offense. Four stubborn Quakers defied this law and were hanged. In the 1690s fear of witches seized the colony. Twenty alleged witches were killed and 150 others imprisoned.
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Roman Persecution of Christians
Christians were first, and horribly, targeted for persecution as a group by the emperor Nero in 64 AD. A colossal fire broke out at Rome, and destroyed much of the city. Rumors abounded that Nero himself was responsible. To divert attention from the rumors, Nero ordered that Christians should be rounded up and killed. Some were torn apart by dogs, others burnt alive as human torches. Over the next hundred years or so, Christians were sporadically persecuted. Then in the mid-third century, emperors initiated even more intensive persecutions. This, “The Great Persecution”, is considered the largest. Beginning with a series of four edicts banning Christian practices and ordering the imprisonment of Christian clergy, the persecution intensified until all Christians in the empire were commanded to sacrifice to the gods or face immediate execution. This persecution was to be the last, as Constantine I soon came into power and in 313 legalized Christianity.
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Aztec Human Sacrifice
The Aztecs began their elaborate theocracy in the 1300s and brought human sacrifice to a golden era. About 20,000 people were killed yearly to appease gods — especially the sun god, who needed daily “nourishment” of blood. Hearts of sacrifice victims were cut out, and some bodies were eaten ceremoniously. Other victims were drowned, beheaded, burned or dropped from heights. In a rite to the rain god, shrieking children were killed at several sites so that their tears might induce rain. In a rite to the maize goddess, a virgin danced for 24 hours, then was killed and skinned; her skin was worn by a priest in further dancing. One account says that at King Ahuitzotl’s coronation, 80,000 prisoners were butchered to please the gods.
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Islamic Jihads
Islamic jihads (holy wars), mandated by the Koran, killed millions over 12 centuries. In early years, Muslim armies spread the faith rapidly: east to India and west to Morocco. Then splintering sects branded other Muslims as infidels and declared jihads against them. The Kharijis battled Sunni rulers. The Azariqis decreed death to all “sinners” and their families. In 1804 a Sudanese holy man, Usman dan Fodio, waged a bloody jihad that broke the religious sway of the Sultan of Gobir. In the 1850s another Sudanese mystic, ‘Umar al-Hajj, led a barbaric jihad to convert pagan African tribes.
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Crusades
The Crusades were military campaigns sanctioned by the Latin Roman Catholic Church during the High Middle Ages through to the end of the Late Middle Ages. In 1095 Pope Urban II proclaimed the first crusade, with the stated goal of restoring Christian access to the holy places in and near Jerusalem. I think the last one was in the 1290's.
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I guess they all kill... Some better then others.. Some because they have had more time.. I wonder why God does not put a stop to all this :/
I guess he is to just to busy in this big vast universe...
I have no idea what the number is but it must be a lot...
Atrocities Committed in the Name of Religion.
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Throughout history religion has been used as an excuse, or driving force, for some of the worst atrocities imaginable. From pre-history to modern history, religion is, for many people, just an excuse to kill other people. This list highlights eight of the worst atrocities
in no order
Buddhist Burma
Human sacrifices were still occurring in Buddhist Burma in the 1850s. When the capital was moved to Mandalay, 56 “spotless” men were buried beneath the new city walls to sanctify and protect the city. When two of the burial spots were later found empty, royal astrologers decreed that 500 men, women, boys, and girls must be killed and buried at once, or the capital must be abandoned. About 100 were actually buried before British governors stopped the ceremonies.
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Thuggee Murders
Members of lndia’s Thuggee sect strangled people as sacrifices to appease the bloodthirsty goddess Kali, a practice beginning in the 1500s. The number of victims has been estimated to be as high as 2 million. Thugs were claiming about 20,000 lives a year in the 1800s until British rulers stamped them out. At a trial in 1840, one Thug was accused of killing 931 people. Today, some Hindu priests still sacrifice goats to Kali.
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Mountain Meadows Massacre
The Mountain Meadows massacre was a mass killing of the Fancher-Baker wagon train at Mountain Meadows in Utah Territory on September 11, 1857, by a group of Mormons and Paiute Indians. The Arkansas emigrants were traveling to California shortly before Utah War started. Mormons throughout the Utah Territory had been mustered to fight the invading United States Army, which they believed was intended to destroy them as a people. Initially intending to orchestrate an Indian massacre, two men with leadership roles in local military, church and government organizations, Isaac C. Haight and John D. Lee, conspired for Lee to lead militiamen disguised as Native Americans along with a contingent of Paiute tribesmen in an attack.
The emigrants fought back and a siege ensued. Intending to leave no witnesses of Mormon complicity in the siege and avoid reprisals complicating the Utah War, militiamen induced the emigrants to surrender and give up their weapons. After escorting the emigrants out of their fortification, the militiamen and their tribesmen auxiliaries executed approximately 120 men, women and children.
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The Inquisition
The Medieval Inquisition is a series of Inquisitions (Roman Catholic Church bodies charged with suppressing heresy) from around 1184, including the Episcopal Inquisition (1184-1230s) and later the Papal Inquisition (1230s). It was in response to large popular movements throughout Europe considered apostate or heretical to Christianity, in particular Catharism and Waldensians in southern France and northern Italy. These were the first inquisition movements of many that would follow.
Torture was used after 1252. On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled Ad exstirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by inquisitors. The Inquisitors were forbidden to use methods that resulted in bloodshed, mutilation or death. One of the more common forms of medieval inquisition torture was known as strappado. The hands were bound behind the back with a rope, and the accused was suspended this way, dislocating the joints painfully in both arms. Weights could be added to the legs dislocating those joints as well.
The organization is still active today under the name of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Prior to becoming Pope Benedict XVI, Cardinal Ratzinger was the head of the congregation.
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The Witch Hunts
When Puritans settled in Massachusetts in the 1600s, they created a religious police state where doctrinal deviation could lead to flogging, pillorying, hanging, cutting off ears, or boring through the tongue with a hot iron. Preaching Quaker beliefs was a capital offense. Four stubborn Quakers defied this law and were hanged. In the 1690s fear of witches seized the colony. Twenty alleged witches were killed and 150 others imprisoned.
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Roman Persecution of Christians
Christians were first, and horribly, targeted for persecution as a group by the emperor Nero in 64 AD. A colossal fire broke out at Rome, and destroyed much of the city. Rumors abounded that Nero himself was responsible. To divert attention from the rumors, Nero ordered that Christians should be rounded up and killed. Some were torn apart by dogs, others burnt alive as human torches. Over the next hundred years or so, Christians were sporadically persecuted. Then in the mid-third century, emperors initiated even more intensive persecutions. This, “The Great Persecution”, is considered the largest. Beginning with a series of four edicts banning Christian practices and ordering the imprisonment of Christian clergy, the persecution intensified until all Christians in the empire were commanded to sacrifice to the gods or face immediate execution. This persecution was to be the last, as Constantine I soon came into power and in 313 legalized Christianity.
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Aztec Human Sacrifice
The Aztecs began their elaborate theocracy in the 1300s and brought human sacrifice to a golden era. About 20,000 people were killed yearly to appease gods — especially the sun god, who needed daily “nourishment” of blood. Hearts of sacrifice victims were cut out, and some bodies were eaten ceremoniously. Other victims were drowned, beheaded, burned or dropped from heights. In a rite to the rain god, shrieking children were killed at several sites so that their tears might induce rain. In a rite to the maize goddess, a virgin danced for 24 hours, then was killed and skinned; her skin was worn by a priest in further dancing. One account says that at King Ahuitzotl’s coronation, 80,000 prisoners were butchered to please the gods.
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Islamic Jihads
Islamic jihads (holy wars), mandated by the Koran, killed millions over 12 centuries. In early years, Muslim armies spread the faith rapidly: east to India and west to Morocco. Then splintering sects branded other Muslims as infidels and declared jihads against them. The Kharijis battled Sunni rulers. The Azariqis decreed death to all “sinners” and their families. In 1804 a Sudanese holy man, Usman dan Fodio, waged a bloody jihad that broke the religious sway of the Sultan of Gobir. In the 1850s another Sudanese mystic, ‘Umar al-Hajj, led a barbaric jihad to convert pagan African tribes.
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Crusades
The Crusades were military campaigns sanctioned by the Latin Roman Catholic Church during the High Middle Ages through to the end of the Late Middle Ages. In 1095 Pope Urban II proclaimed the first crusade, with the stated goal of restoring Christian access to the holy places in and near Jerusalem. I think the last one was in the 1290's.
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I guess they all kill... Some better then others.. Some because they have had more time.. I wonder why God does not put a stop to all this :/
I guess he is to just to busy in this big vast universe...
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Religion has always been an excellent excuse to kill people. Doesn't matter when, doesnt matter what religion. For some people, it just is.
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You can always just blame the invisible man. Easy cop out.
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Now you're going to argue how their fairy tale is less plausible than your fairy tale?
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They just havent had as much time to perfect their backs and brainwash people. At least they don't believe someone built a boat capable of holding every species on the planet because God was going to murder everyone
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It's not as if genocide is the exclusive province of the religious. Atheists can be as misguided as those who pervert and corrupt religion. Atheists kill for their doctrine too - and many of their victims are persecuted for their religious beliefs...
Mao is estimated to have killed at least 49mm people (high end estimate is 79mm)
Hitler (more tolerant of Christianity, but still an atheist) - killed 12mm people, many because of their religion.
Stalin - estimated to have killed 10mm some say as high as 60mm and that he killed more Jews than Hitler.
Khmer Rouge slaughtered 5mm of their own people as recently as the 1970s
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1. I'm not religious.
2. Their religion is science fiction, not a fairy tale...so you invalidate your own argument.
3. My beliefs are grounded more in scientific fact, which are yet to prove nor disprove the existence of Intelligent Design. You choose not to believe, whereas I do. Cry all you want, you will never be able to disprove the existence of Intelligent Design through science, for the more formulas, constants, and theories science uncovers, the more it points to Intelligent Design for me. You will never win that battle, but have fun trying to convince yourself that you can.
Why is it so many atheists come across as people who need a shrink to help them deal with their childhood trauma from the time they found out mom and dad lied about Santa?
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Hitler was not an atheist
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf
"And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord."
"Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work."
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
Mao, Stalin, and Pot were atheists, this has been documented. But is it the reason they committed these atrocities? or are you just using guilt by association?
Why not in the name of communism? or because they were power-hungry dicks? or because they were all men?
I will disagree with this statement as a whole...and in a slight defense of religion, I believe that power corrupts people, not beliefs. Religious/political beliefs may initiate these thoughts or plans, but the will to power, dominance, and control is the true motivating factor in continuing these atrocities. People will use whatever excuse they can to assert authority.
You know, way back, the first humans fought each other due to their evolutionary nature, over things like food.
Nobody should ever eat food again because people once killed in the name of having something to eat.
Darwinism is to blame for those deaths, not to mention with greater scientific discoveries and technology, people have just been able to kill on ever larger scales. Billions have been killed by Darwinism and Science.
Nobody should ever eat food again because people once killed in the name of having something to eat.
Darwinism is to blame for those deaths, not to mention with greater scientific discoveries and technology, people have just been able to kill on ever larger scales. Billions have been killed by Darwinism and Science.
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this doesn't even make sense.
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Not sure if he's sarcastic or not
If so, then oxygen is to blame for mass murderers. Blame oxygen.
too deep for you to grasp? unwilling or incapable of thinking it through? science forbid one actually put blame on the human condition that is a result of biological and Darwinist impulses, far easier to place blame solely on religion for every killing ever experienced so you can feel better about yourself...because that is what this entire thread is about, isn't it? make champ feel better about himself.
let's all have a pity party for champ because he was once lied to about Santa and he never was able to recover from that experience.
true or false, the first societies fought and killed in order to protect their regional hunting and gathering areas? I'm not saying that was the sole reason they fought, but different societies came across one another and fought over the territorial food resources.
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