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Tigers vs. mariners Game 162 October 5, 2022 - and offseason to 2023

https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2022/12/29/the-payroll-poll-3/
THE PAYROLL POLL Part Three.
Totally Tigers

Let?s conclude the 3-part series on payroll in baseball.

The first poll was focused on Mets owner Steve Cohen and his willingness to spend whatever it takes to win a ring. Yesterday, we explored what each team was spending, especially those shelling out the most and the least. We asked the question as to whether MLB should install salary caps. If you missed that poll, you have today only to vote before that survey also ends.

Now let?s turn to the Detroit Tigers and their payroll.

For the first 13 years of owning the team, Mike Ilitch spent sparingly on the Tigers. Upon hiring Dave Dombrowski back in 2022, the Tigers increased payroll significantly almost every year. The team went from $54 mill to $212 mill during his tenure. Most of that time, the Tigers ranked within the top 5 of team payrolls. Often sitting at #2 or #3.

While that money fueled multiple division titles and October baseball, it failed the ultimate test ? a World Series trophy. The Tigers won only 1 game out of 2 WS appearances.

And despite attracting large attendance numbers, the Tigers operated in the red for the last 10 years of Dombrowski?s tenure.

Due mostly to contracts that increasingly got expensive, Opening Day payroll continued to climb for the Tigers in 2016 and 2017 while the team slid backwards in the standings. Because of those 2 factors, the Tigers were pushed into a tear down that lasted 5 years and a rebuild that has yet to take off.
They now hold the record for the team with the longest playoff drought.

Last year was the first one since 2017-18 that the Tigers grew their payroll. Chris Ilitch ranked 3rd in spending the most money for the 2022 season but it was not spent well by his former GM, Al Avila.

The Tigers sit at #18 in payroll for the 2022 season with $136 mill. They were $14 mill below the average MLB payroll.

The White Sox are over $200 mill. The Twins are just slightly ahead of the Tigers by $13 mill.

The Tigers are significantly outspending the Royals and Indians. It is way too soon to put a dollar amount on this year?s payroll.

Where should the Tigers be sitting in payroll for the near future? How much do they need in order to become competitive?

Or is a solid organization more of a factor in how successful a team becomes?

How much is enough without putting the team?s future in jeopardy and risking another tear down?

Consider all of this ? and more ? when you think about how much this organization should invest.

Tell us by voting.

What should the Tigers' payroll be for the near future?

1. $203 million (White Sox) or more.

2. Less than $200 million but more than MLB average of $151 million.

3. Within the neighborhood of MLB average $151 million.

4. Similar to current $136 million payroll.

5. Less than $136 million payroll (Royals and Indians spending significantly less).

VOTE
 
Tigers 2022 BP a mostly featured Jimenez Chafin Soto Lange Vest Cisnero Foley Fulmer in leverage? only 4 of them remain .. need at least one LH sand another dependable leverage arm .. Hinch/Fetter have specialized in building BP they?ve been great at developing arms.

It?s good to see the Tigers are finally doing the hard things that involve building a team.. there?s always risk involved trading assets..it?s good to see a commitment to a process and a profile rebalancing of assets to execute the vision..keep in mind it?s only the beginning.

Unlike the previous idiot regime..the Harris FO..understands how to make a deal and what players they have interest in..rather than getting walked into a horrible deal..like say Dawel Lugo.

MGorosh
 
I've been thinking about it..Beau Brieske could be a really good high leverage BP piece for Tigers.
..FB will play up a tick and his CU is $$$ it also diminishes the urgency of his slider... a little stream of consciousness.
 
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pippwa01.shtml
WATERCOOLER WEDNESDAY.
Totally Tigers

Today, another opportunity for readers to discuss the hottest topics in a forum where thoughtful dialog and a variety of opinions are welcomed.

Let?s create some running conversational threads. And for those of you back in actual offices, here?s a question to take with you ? or use via Zoom ? as you talk to your co-workers.

Here is today?s topic??..

Almost every positional player from 2022 will need to redeem/improve themselves for the new season. But for which player is it most crucial?

Javier Baez was signed to a 6-year, $140 million contract. The shortstop position is the lynchpin for defense and Baez racked up the most errors for any SS in MLB last year. His plate habits are poor and he also leads MLB in swinging at over 50% of pitches outside the strike zone.

Analysts tell us that Javy?s production last year was half of what was expected and that he will need to double his output for each of the next 5 years in order for the Tigers to break even on his contract.

And then there?s Spencer Torkelson, the Tigers #1 draft pick from 2020. After just 1 year in the minors, he was promoted to Detroit to become the team?s full-time first baseman but he struggled the entire year at the plate even after returning from a stint in Toledo to get help.

Torkelson has the distinction of earning MLB?s worst 1st round draft pick based upon first year stats. He is not guaranteed to make the 26-man roster for 2023 and there are hints that Scott Harris will put 1 of several new players at the first base position instead.

Which one of these players needs to improve the most?
The defensive key who has struggled with both bat and glove and is tied to a long-term contract? A contract that could become an albatross to the team?

Or the symbol of the Tigers? rebuild? The justification and presumed validation of years of tanking in order to get top prospects? A player who is the poster child of the Tigers? inability to properly develop talent? An athlete who has the chance to either bolster the team?s new player development system or one who could destroy the team?s purpose of tanking for talent?

Which player needs to have a better year the most?

1. Javier Baez

2. Spencer Torkelson

VOTE
 
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