Don't Quote Churchill

[jwlcosu]

Quoting the greatest figure of the 20th century will get you busted.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...me-ministers-words-Islam-campaign-speech.html

God damn you if you tell the truth!

'How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!,' wrote Churchill.
'Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
'The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
'A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
'The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property ? either as a child, a wife, or a concubine ? must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
'Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
'No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'

 

[Monster]

Funny, Mohammedanism sounds a lot like what's in the bible.

And greatest figure of the 20th century? Lol

 

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[tinselwolverine]

My two favorite Churchill quotes:

"This was Britain's finest hour."

"I'm only sorry I will be dead long before the advent of Internet porn."

 

[jwlcosu]

Really? To suggest that Churchill was one of if not the greatest figure of the 20th century is lol funny? And you are one of the educated. That's a problem.

 

[Michchamp]

Most European countries have laws criminalizing hate speech.

Weston should've know better. If you want to be an anti-Muslim bigot, go to Denmark; they don't enforce their laws in that regard. Or just come to the good ole USA... You have a First Amendment right to be a bigot and a racist like jdildo here in the states

 

[Michchamp]

Not sure why Churchill is even considered one of the greatest figures of the 20th Century. To put his life & career in context:

he was born into an extremely wealthy & noble family. typical "born on third base, thinking he hit a triple" guy. Although since he's English, maybe that analogy could be adapted to cricket.

his main contribution to the British war effort in WWI was the disastrous Battle of Gallipoli.

After that his initial political career ended with his mismanagement of the British economy throughout the 1920's... which were basically prosperous everywhere except the UK. Then for the next decade he was basically a nobody until Hitler came along, and he had the fortune to be the only British politician urging war at the one (1) time since 1900 that urging war was the right move.

his war record was basically that of a cheerleader, giving speeches, etc. After WWII was over, the British kicked him to the curb.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Really? To suggest that Churchill was one of if not the greatest figure of the 20th century is lol funny? And you are one of the educated. That's a problem.

That's a big backpedal, going from "the" to "one of the". You'd expect someone from THE OSU to be fully aware of that.

 

[Monster]

his war record was basically that of a cheerleader, giving speeches, etc. After WWII was over, the British kicked him to the curb.

this. The man was a quote machine, but never really backed up his words.

Maybe an important figure in the 20th century, but far from the greatest.

 

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I remember reading an article where someone told a story about Churchill.

A woman walks up to Churchill at some function, and jokingly pats his belly and says, "Winny, is this were on a woman we would know what to think".

And Churchill responds in deadpan, "Madam, 30 minutes ago it was on a woman, and now what do you think?" then gulped down his drink.

But no, I don't see him as a greatest figure in the 20th century, or even as "one of".

 

[zyxt9]

Churchill had flaws, but all "greats" do. Degrading him to the point he is trivialized is the opposite side of the coin and the truth definitely lies in the middle. He was great for leading the UK during WWII, throughout the bombings of London, and keeping the English strongly opposed to Germany when other leaders would not have been capable.

However, he definitely had his flaws as I said. His support of Montgomery being foremost among those. Not that one can really blame him for being so supportive of a fellow Brit, but Montgomery was probably the most over-rated military leader of WWII at a minimum.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Churchel was in all likelihood bipolar.

Lincoln probably was too.

 

[Michchamp]

I remember reading an article where someone told a story about Churchill.

A woman walks up to Churchill at some function, and jokingly pats his belly and says, "Winny, is this were on a woman we would know what to think".

And Churchill responds in deadpan, "Madam, 30 minutes ago it was on a woman, and now what do you think?" then gulped down his drink.

But no, I don't see him as a greatest figure in the 20th century, or even as "one of".

I remember reading a couple other quotes from him like that, the "I will be sober and you will still be ugly" one is another. guessing they were spread by Maxim magazine or one of those other "lad's mags" in the UK, and probably not even true. I doubt a career politician in any country, let alone the UK, would be going around drunk hitting on women, and dropping insults that brag of his infidelity to his wife.

Churchill had flaws, but all "greats" do. ...

But that's the thing, what exactly made him great? he didn't really DO anything, other than insist on fighting Germany sooner than later (hey, even a broken clock...) and gave some wartime speeches.

His planning and involvement in strategy was considered by many in the UK to be a hindrance, if anything.

 

[Michchamp]

That's a big backpedal, going from "the" to "one of the". You'd expect someone from THE OSU to be fully aware of that.

it's a back pedal.

it's not a big backpedal.

so instead of Churchill and then the rest of them, you have one group of the Greatest Figures of the 20th Century: Churchill, Goldwater, Nixon, Reagan, Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, and Ted Nugent.

 

[jwlcosu]

That's a big backpedal, going from "the" to "one of the". You'd expect someone from THE OSU to be fully aware of that.

No backpedal. More the turn of a phrase. I'll stick with greatest. It's true, I'm a dinosaur, but its hard for me to grasp that Churchill is not on pretty much everyone's short list. And lol funny, as it appears to be for many of you? Sorry, I don't get that. Sign of the times, I guess.

 

[Monster]

I'd put MLK jr, FDR, Gandhi, JFK, and Einstein way above him. Churchill would be down on the Ron Reagan level. Perhaps lower.

 

[Gulo Blue]

No backpedal. More the turn of a phrase. I'll stick with greatest. It's true, I'm a dinosaur, but its hard for me to grasp that Churchill is not on pretty much everyone's short list. And lol funny, as it appears to be for many of you? Sorry, I don't get that. Sign of the times, I guess.

They should issue diplomas from "One of the Ohio State Universities"

The Board of Regents of
One of the Ohio State Universities
has conferred upon
Jwlcosu
the degree of
Bachelor of Fine Arts
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[Thumb]

I'd put MLK jr, FDR, Gandhi, JFK, and Einstein way above him. Churchill would be down on the Ron Reagan level. Perhaps lower.

Jonas Salk
J. Robert Oppenheimer
Enrico Fermi
James Watson and Francis Crick
Werner Von Braun


And many others could be put above Churchill, I don't know that he even makes my long list, let alone short list.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Jonas Salk
J. Robert Oppenheimer
Enrico Fermi
James Watson and Francis Crick
Werner Von Braun


And many others could be put above Churchill, I don't know that he even makes my long list, let alone short list.

Bo Schembechler.

 

[zyxt9]

That's just it guys, there are many "greats" from the 20th Century and every century before that. It would be impossible for us to decide who was the "greatest" because that is going to be a personal opinion more than quantifiable fact.

And every single person mentioned above had their own flaws too, always important to remember that!!!