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You can only spend money if you make money.
Also, revenue is put back into player development, organizational facilities, infrastructure, etc, etc. Many years ago, when they had Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling, the Arizona D-Backs won the World Series and had one of the highest payrolls. They also had to take out promissory notes to cover that payroll.
Last 5 Years Averages
NYY 91.2 Wins 3.53 Mil Attendance $223.9 Mil Payroll $10.6 Mil Operating Income
STL 90.2 Wins 3.31 Mil Attendance $110.7 Mil Payroll $28.6 Mil Operating Income
DET 89.4 Wins 2.83 Mil Attendance $137.2 Mil Payroll -$8.6 Mil Operating Income
TBR 89.2 Wins 1.58 Mil Attendance $65.1 Mil Payroll $14.8 Mil Operating Income
TEX 87.4 Wins 2.96 Mil Attendance $108.7 Mil Payroll $5.8 Mil Operating Income
SFG 87.2 Wins 3.31 Mil Attendance $128.8 Mil Payroll $26.7 Mil Operating Income
OAK 86.6 Wins 1.68 Mil Attendance $69.0 Mil Payroll $23.0 Mil Operating Income
PHI 85.2 Wins 3.29 Mil Attendance $162.7 Mil Payroll -$1.7 Mil Operating Income
BOS 83.2 Wins 2.99 Mil Attendance $150.9 Mil Payroll $$22.7 Mil Operating Income
KCR 77.0 Wins 1.76 Mil Attendance $69.6 Mil Payroll $11.5 Mil Operating Income
In the last 20 years, OAK has never had more than 4.4 Mil in attendance in back to back year (2.2 Mil a year). TBR and KCR have not had more than 3.7 Mil (not including TBR inaugural season).
Two Season Total in Current Stadium
NYY 7.49 Mil (3.74 Mil)
PHI 7.46 Mil (3.73 Mil)
STL 6.99 Mil (3.49 Mil)
SFG 6.76 Mil (3.38 Mil)
TEX 6.64 Mil (3.32 Mil)
DET 6.25 Mil (3.13 Mil)
BOS 6.11 Mil (3.06 Mil)
OAK 4.42 Mil (2.21 Mil)
TBR 3.74 Mil (1.87 Mil)
KCR 3.71 Mil (1.85 Mil)
Break even on payroll can be determined by expected attendance. Winning in some cases means higher attendance. Yet, a team that is already winning (TBR or OAK) is not going to increase attendance much without a new stadium.
At their average last 5 years attendance, DET's break even mark is $128.5 Mil in payroll, hence why they have average losing $8.6 Mil a year the last 5 years. That is without paying a luxury tax. At $170 Mil payroll, DET would have to draw 3.74 Mil in attendance or significantly increase their ticket and/or concession prices. Increase costs can also lower attendance expectations, so it is a double edge sword.
From what I am tracking, PHI is the only other team that has average losing money over the last 5 years. They lost $20.9 Mil in 2014. They attendance dropped by roughly 600,000 and their payroll of $176.4 was $25.6 Mil more than 2013. They just signed a deal with Comcast which takes effect in 2016 and more than doubles their current deal. They have proved they can sustain over 3 mil in attendance. Their break even payroll currently sits at $161.1 Mil.
Bottom line. The Tigers are not generating revenue for their player development, organizational facilities, infrastructure, etc, etc. Increasing payroll is just compounding the issue and kicking the can down the road. "It isn't my money." and "Illitch can do what he wants." are flippant comments. Sooner or later, the Tigers will have to address these issues. They are NOT a top 10 media market. They are not a top 10 metro area. They have not consistently demonstrated top 10 attendance. Thus, they cannot maintain a top 10 payroll without winning the World Series from time to time. Playoff success adds to revenue. But paying and falling short will catch up.
Also, revenue is put back into player development, organizational facilities, infrastructure, etc, etc. Many years ago, when they had Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling, the Arizona D-Backs won the World Series and had one of the highest payrolls. They also had to take out promissory notes to cover that payroll.
Last 5 Years Averages
NYY 91.2 Wins 3.53 Mil Attendance $223.9 Mil Payroll $10.6 Mil Operating Income
STL 90.2 Wins 3.31 Mil Attendance $110.7 Mil Payroll $28.6 Mil Operating Income
DET 89.4 Wins 2.83 Mil Attendance $137.2 Mil Payroll -$8.6 Mil Operating Income
TBR 89.2 Wins 1.58 Mil Attendance $65.1 Mil Payroll $14.8 Mil Operating Income
TEX 87.4 Wins 2.96 Mil Attendance $108.7 Mil Payroll $5.8 Mil Operating Income
SFG 87.2 Wins 3.31 Mil Attendance $128.8 Mil Payroll $26.7 Mil Operating Income
OAK 86.6 Wins 1.68 Mil Attendance $69.0 Mil Payroll $23.0 Mil Operating Income
PHI 85.2 Wins 3.29 Mil Attendance $162.7 Mil Payroll -$1.7 Mil Operating Income
BOS 83.2 Wins 2.99 Mil Attendance $150.9 Mil Payroll $$22.7 Mil Operating Income
KCR 77.0 Wins 1.76 Mil Attendance $69.6 Mil Payroll $11.5 Mil Operating Income
In the last 20 years, OAK has never had more than 4.4 Mil in attendance in back to back year (2.2 Mil a year). TBR and KCR have not had more than 3.7 Mil (not including TBR inaugural season).
Two Season Total in Current Stadium
NYY 7.49 Mil (3.74 Mil)
PHI 7.46 Mil (3.73 Mil)
STL 6.99 Mil (3.49 Mil)
SFG 6.76 Mil (3.38 Mil)
TEX 6.64 Mil (3.32 Mil)
DET 6.25 Mil (3.13 Mil)
BOS 6.11 Mil (3.06 Mil)
OAK 4.42 Mil (2.21 Mil)
TBR 3.74 Mil (1.87 Mil)
KCR 3.71 Mil (1.85 Mil)
Break even on payroll can be determined by expected attendance. Winning in some cases means higher attendance. Yet, a team that is already winning (TBR or OAK) is not going to increase attendance much without a new stadium.
At their average last 5 years attendance, DET's break even mark is $128.5 Mil in payroll, hence why they have average losing $8.6 Mil a year the last 5 years. That is without paying a luxury tax. At $170 Mil payroll, DET would have to draw 3.74 Mil in attendance or significantly increase their ticket and/or concession prices. Increase costs can also lower attendance expectations, so it is a double edge sword.
From what I am tracking, PHI is the only other team that has average losing money over the last 5 years. They lost $20.9 Mil in 2014. They attendance dropped by roughly 600,000 and their payroll of $176.4 was $25.6 Mil more than 2013. They just signed a deal with Comcast which takes effect in 2016 and more than doubles their current deal. They have proved they can sustain over 3 mil in attendance. Their break even payroll currently sits at $161.1 Mil.
Bottom line. The Tigers are not generating revenue for their player development, organizational facilities, infrastructure, etc, etc. Increasing payroll is just compounding the issue and kicking the can down the road. "It isn't my money." and "Illitch can do what he wants." are flippant comments. Sooner or later, the Tigers will have to address these issues. They are NOT a top 10 media market. They are not a top 10 metro area. They have not consistently demonstrated top 10 attendance. Thus, they cannot maintain a top 10 payroll without winning the World Series from time to time. Playoff success adds to revenue. But paying and falling short will catch up.