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Tigers 2017 Season Debacle, trades, releases and fired thread

Mitchrapp said:
Why? I know Arizona made a move at MIF but I believe they have a guy out of the country and an injury with someone else.. He'd help them.
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I just don't think very highly of him as a player. Good glove but adds almost nothing offensively. If AZ wants to give something for him...great!

Edit: Their SS is the one where his mom died in a car accident last night.
 
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tomdalton22 said:
I just don't think very highly of him as a player. Good glove but adds almost nothing offensively. If AZ wants to give something for him...great!

Edit: Their SS is the one where his mom died in a car accident last night.
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Yeah. And defense is what they'd want from him..
 
Mitchrapp said:
That's the way it works. If we had more assets we wouldn't have been sellers..
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We have more assets.....I bet a large number of teams would want JV and Upton.....just not at that price tag. Miggy, too.

It's not that the Tigers don't have assets.....just not affordable ones.
 
boogerlovejoy said:
We have more assets.....I bet a large number of teams would want JV and Upton.....just not at that price tag. Miggy, too.

It's not that the Tigers don't have assets.....just not affordable ones.
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I didn't say we didn't have any. But it's not enough. Like I said if we had more assets we'd be better. We have some but not enough..
 
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tomdalton22 said:
I think the Tigers are probably done. Pretty pathetic that a team only had 3 assets that contending teams are willing to trade for....and one was a backup catcher!
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Way to put a slant on it. JV, Upton and Cabrera would have been cherished by contending teams. This issue isn't they weren't wanted. It is Avila wasn't willing to sell short.
 
Rebbiv said:
Way to put a slant on it. JV, Upton and Cabrera would have been cherished by contending teams. This issue isn't they weren't wanted. It is Avila wasn't willing to sell short.
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You can't just give a guy away though.. I don't think Miggy was trade-able. You'd have to pay so much for others for others to take him. Upton too. JV was trade-able but again it was either pay most of his money and get a decent prospect or do what they did and get no one meaningfully back..

I'm glad JV is here and hope he stays here.
 
Mitchrapp said:
You can't just give a guy away though.. I don't think Miggy was trade-able. You'd have to pay so much for others for others to take him. Upton too. JV was trade-able but again it was either pay most of his money and get a decent prospect or do what they did and get no one meaningfully back..

I'm glad JV is here and hope he stays here.
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I get it. Tom doesn't. Upton's opt out makes him virtually not worth it. JV was certainly trade-able, it was just a matter of what the package was going to be.
 
johnny2x2x said:
Castellanos to First Base, Cabrera to DH.

I like what the Tigers got in this trade. The giant hole in our minor league system has been infielders for years, we've added a hand full of guys now that can play those positions.

Still want to see us dump some payroll, but the organization is doing some of the right things finally. And the good thing about getting multiple prospects at the same position is that you get to see them up close and keep the ones you know are the best while trading the others at a later date.

Is someone going to offer anything for JV?
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Gawd help us if Castellanos is moved to 1B and he doesn't start to hit more.
 
Rebbiv said:
I get it. Tom doesn't. Upton's opt out makes him virtually not worth it. JV was certainly trade-able, it was just a matter of what the package was going to be.
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I get it...I understand that nobody wants those guys because of the shitty contracts they have. A player with a terrible contract isn't an asset....it's a liability.
 
tomdalton22 said:
A players value isn't based on what he did...it's what he is expected to do relative to what he is owed.
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It doesn't work like that, players are paid on past years performances, and the hope is they will continue to have outstanding years.
Every team has players getting lots of years and money left on multi-year contracts who are not doing what is expected of them after paying them for the future.
 
kalinecountry said:
It doesn't work like that, players are paid on past years performances, and the hope is they will continue to have outstanding years.
Every team has players getting lots of years and money left on multi-year contracts who are not doing what is expected of them after paying them for the future.
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I understand that as well. We are talking about a players value to other teams in a trade scenario.
 
tomdalton22 said:
I understand that as well. We are talking about a players value to other teams in a trade scenario.
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No. You are. We are talking about getting value for value. Verlander is more valuable to the Tigers if the other team is offering jake shit.
 
tomdalton22 said:
A players value isn't based on what he did...it's what he is expected to do relative to what he is owed.
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Additionally, players have down years. Magglio Ordonez got big money for 7 years. Arguably, he only had 3 healthy good years. Does that mean he wasn't worthy of the signing?
 
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