Does Anybody Know The Economic Agenda of Any Democrat Candidate?

[jwlcosu]

Serious question and willing to be educated. I rarely hear any of them say a word about anything other than social justice, climate change or orange man bad. I have heard them talk about $15 min wage but is there anything else?

 

[tigermud]

Serious question and willing to be educated. I rarely hear any of them say a word about anything other than social justice, climate change or orange man bad. I have heard them talk about $15 min wage but is there anything else?

Yes the answer is equally assured misery for all

 

[Michchamp]

Serious question and willing to be educated. I rarely hear any of them say a word about anything other than social justice, climate change or orange man bad. I have heard them talk about $15 min wage but is there anything else?

that's because you listen to media sources that intentionally ignore substantive issues like that. you do that because you're stupid.

Both Bernie and Warren have laid out their positions on a variety of economic issues IN DETAIL, for years. YEARS.

The rest of them generally push the same neo-liberal, low taxes on the rich, free trade, low regulation of business that all the Republican candidates in the last few decades have.

Trump has paid lip service to fighting some trade wars and creating jobs, but all his tariffs have done is move production from China to Vietnam and other SE Asian countries. No one is building new factories in America and creating manufacturing jobs here, and no one is going to unless the feds do it themselves, and under tHE GOP they won't.

 

[jwlcosu]

that's because you listen to media sources that intentionally ignore substantive issues like that. you do that because you're stupid.

Both Bernie and Warren have laid out their positions on a variety of economic issues IN DETAIL, for years. YEARS.

The rest of them generally push the same neo-liberal, low taxes on the rich, free trade, low regulation of business that all the Republican candidates in the last few decades have.

Trump has paid lip service to fighting some trade wars and creating jobs, but all his tariffs have done is move production from China to Vietnam and other SE Asian countries. No one is building new factories in America and creating manufacturing jobs here, and no one is going to unless the feds do it themselves, and under tHE GOP they won't.

I?ve watched all the democrat debates. The economy never comes up. I?ll look at their web sites. My bias going in is that their ?economic plans? are likely to be wealth or income redistribution schemes as opposed to anything that would truly generate growth.

 

[Michchamp]

I?ve watched all the democrat debates. The economy never comes up. I?ll look at their web sites. My bias going in is that their ?economic plans? are likely to be wealth or income redistribution schemes as opposed to anything that would truly generate growth.

Even if your characterization is fair (it isn't), and these billionaires actually earned their billions by performing difficult, 24/7 labor for years, that was beneficial to society... the idea that it's "generating growth" by letting them sit on piles of money to enjoy a life of leisure, multiple yachts, homes, plenty of drugs, whores, etc. instead of being taxed and spent in the larger economy is absurd.

 

[byco42]

Even if your characterization is fair (it isn't), and these billionaires actually earned their billions by performing difficult, 24/7 labor for years, that was beneficial to society... the idea that it's "generating growth" by letting them sit on piles of money to enjoy a life of leisure, multiple yachts, homes, plenty of drugs, whores, etc. instead of being taxed and spent in the larger economy is absurd.

There are 585 billionaires in the US. Do you know how much revenue taxing them fairly would generate each year? Might be useful to know that.

 

[jwlcosu]

From Bernie's site:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

From Fauxahontas' site:

https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/?...pEAAYASAAEgLEJ_D_BwE#rebuild-the-middle-class

And to be fair and balanced, from Donald's site:

https://www.promiseskept.com/

 

[Michchamp]

There are 585 billionaires in the US. Do you know how much revenue taxing them fairly would generate each year? Might be useful to know that.

I'll get right on that

 

[Spartanmack]

that's because you listen to media sources that intentionally ignore substantive issues like that. you do that because you're stupid.

Both Bernie and Warren have laid out their positions on a variety of economic issues IN DETAIL, for years. YEARS.

The rest of them generally push the same neo-liberal, low taxes on the rich, free trade, low regulation of business that all the Republican candidates in the last few decades have.

Trump has paid lip service to fighting some trade wars and creating jobs, but all his tariffs have done is move production from China to Vietnam and other SE Asian countries. No one is building new factories in America and creating manufacturing jobs here, and no one is going to unless the feds do it themselves, and under tHE GOP they won't.

yeah, which is why they both dodge the question of how they are going to pay for their "free everything" ideas -they laid everything out in detail like billionaires are bad, vote for me and i will punish them and everything will be free.

also you're wrong about the results of Trump's trade war. Manufacturing started moving from China to Vietnam in the early 2000s and has continued since then. Since the trade war and tax reform, industrial real estate in the US has been booming, particularly for small and mid size companies with predominantly domestic customer bases. So you're wrong. Again.

But you intentionally ignore facts that dont support your socialist narrative. On top of thinking socialism is good, you think inequality and not the actual poverty level is the issue. You do this because you are stupid and you can't think for yourself so you parrot bernie and warren talking points because it makes you feel good. It also makes you falsely believe it makes you appear intellectually and morally superior because you get affirmation from other like-minded morons. but in reality you're just a useful idiot for a morally bankrupt ideology - because you're stupid.

 

[sggatecl]

yeah, which is why they both dodge the question of how they are going to pay for their "free everything" ideas -they laid everything out in detail like billionaires are bad, vote for me and i will punish them and everything will be free.

Does Sanders dodge it though? I feel he gets the most criticism because he's laid out pretty much exactly what he wants to do and that's why the DNC and media are like 'fuck this guy'. I get not agreeing with what he wants to do but I think he's been fairly transparent.

I don't know about Warren. I can't take her seriously yet (might never) and thus haven't really looked into her at all.

 

[Michchamp]

From Bernie's site:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

From Fauxahontas' site:

https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/?...pEAAYASAAEgLEJ_D_BwE#rebuild-the-middle-class

And to be fair and balanced, from Donald's site:

https://www.promiseskept.com/

you could also add Bernie's policies to teh "Man, Bernie Sanders is so great!" thread.

 

[byco42]

I'll get right on that

Estimated tax receipts for 2020 are 3.64 trillion. It would be interesting to know what they could be if everyone paid their fair share. Including the 45% of Americans who pay no Federal Income Tax.

 

[tomdalton22]

Estimated tax receipts for 2020 are 3.64 trillion. It would be interesting to know what they could be if everyone paid their fair share. Including the 45% of Americans who pay no Federal Income Tax.

as far as federal income taxes are concerned.

?The top 0.1% of families pay the equivalent of 39.2% and the bottom 20% have negative tax rates. That is, they get more money back from the government in the form of refundable tax credits than they pay in taxes.?

 

[Spartanmack]

Does Sanders dodge it though? I feel he gets the most criticism because he's laid out pretty much exactly what he wants to do and that's why the DNC and media are like 'fuck this guy'. I get not agreeing with what he wants to do but I think he's been fairly transparent.

I don't know about Warren. I can't take her seriously yet (might never) and thus haven't really looked into her at all.

pardon the sarcasm but i don't find "taxing bilyunahs" to be particularly transparent or detailed. the wealthiest Americans dont make enough money to fund medicare far all, let alone that and free college, student loan forgiveness, universal pre-k, guaranteed jobs (for those who want to work) and guaranteed income (for those who dont), entitlement shortfalls, etc, etc.

taxes on the middle class will skyrocket just to fund medicare for all and quality, access and innovation will suffer.

 

[Spartanmack]

you could also add Bernie's policies to teh "Man, Bernie Sanders is so great!" thread.

for more laughs, sure.

 

[sggatecl]

pardon the sarcasm but i don't find "taxing bilyunahs" to be particularly transparent or detailed. the wealthiest Americans dont make enough money to fund medicare far all, let alone that and free college, student loan forgiveness, universal pre-k, guaranteed jobs (for those who want to work) and guaranteed income (for those who dont), entitlement shortfalls, etc, etc.

taxes on the middle class will skyrocket just to fund medicare for all and quality, access and innovation will suffer.

I'm pretty sure Sanders was the one, maybe it was Faux I dunno, that aside from just straight up taxing billionaires more was also talking about restoring the estate tax and also some wall street tax on hedge funds and stuff.

My two younger sisters love the guy, they're constantly sharing stuff about him trying to convince me. I'll have to go through our conversations and find some of the stuff they shared. All I know is that one look at his plan and you can see why nobody in the media or in charge of a major company is down with him. The only way he would win is if he had a record shattering turnout among 18-35 year olds.