Tigers 2017-2018 Off Season Thread

[turok]

Bad baseball us unwatchable in my opinion. If I thought Avila and his staff could pull off a Astros and win something in a few years it would be exciting but I really have no faith in AA.

Bad hockey is worse, IMO.

Baseball has walks, sacflies, bunts, steals, singles, doubles, triples, and homers on offense, hockey has goal scores only. Many more possibilities on defense as well. But hockey brawls are vastly superior to baseball, although not so much post 20th century.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Remember when we were kids and had radio only. Game 162, 25 games out - and yet we'd be listening. I coudn't have been the only one.. Of course we'd all be outside playing but the game would be on.

 

[thehippo73]

Bad baseball us unwatchable in my opinion. If I thought Avila and his staff could pull off a Astros and win something in a few years it would be exciting but I really have no faith in AA.

I have to imagine Paul DePodesta is going to get fired from the Browns. He needs to return to baseball. He is clearly out of his element in football. I would trust him to rebuild the Tigers. Hopefully he could replace AA.

 

[Rebbiv]

DET 40-Man and Non-Roster Invitees last 3 years Away:


C. Huffman 1B 32 113.3 RC/650 .279 BAVG .379 OBP .526 SLG .905 OPS 8.2 PA/BB

C. Stewart LF 24 101.0 RC/650 .259 BAVG .343 OBP .484 SLG .827 OPS 9.6 PA/BB

M. Cabrera 1B 34 97.4 RC/650 .281 BAVG .379 OBP .463 SLG .842 OPS 8.8 PA/BB

M. Gerber CF 25 92.4 RC/650 .274 BAVG .343 OBP .448 SLG .791 OPS 11.3 PA/BB

R. Rodriguez 2B 25 92.3 RC/650 .292 BAVG .321 OBP .468 SLG .789 OPS 27.3 PA/BB

J. Candelario 3B 24 92.0 RC/650 .271 BAVG .352 OBP .449 SLG .802 OPS 9.6 PA/BB

V. Martinez DH 39 85.3 RC/650 .284 BAVG .349 OBP .435 SLG .785 OPS 14.0 PA/BB

V. Reyes RF 23 83.1 RC/650 .307 BAVG .338 OBP .401 SLG .739 OPS 22.5 PA/BB

M. Mahtook CF 28 81.0 RC/650 .260 BAVG .317 OBP .417 SLG .734 OPS 16.8 PA/BB

N. Goodrum SS 26 80.7 RC/650 .268 BAVG .326 OBP .406 SLG .732 OPS 13.6 PA/BB

J. Hicks C 28 79.3 RC/650 .282 BAVG .318 OBP .427 SLG .745 OPS 20.9 PA/BB

N. Castellanos 3B 26 78.6 RC/650 .255 BAVG .296 OBP .458 SLG .754 OPS 19.1 PA/BB

K. Krizan LF 28 77.5 RC/650 .265 BAVG .335 OBP .399 SLG .734 OPS 10.2 PA/BB


2017 AL AVG 76.9 RC/650 .251 BAVG .317 OBP .416 SLG .733 OPS 13.1 PA/BB

D. Lugo 3B 23 76.9 RC/650 .285 BAVG .325 OBP .416 SLG .741 OPS 20.2 PA/BB


K. Wilson CF 28 71.0 RC/650 .253 BAVG .325 OBP .359 SLG .684 OPS 11.6 PA/BB

J. Jones CF 25 70.7 RC/650 .239 BAVG .305 OBP .396 SLG .701 OPS 13.7 PA/BB

E. Espinal 1B 24 69.1 RC/650 .266 BAVG .323 OBP .386 SLG .709 OPS 14.9 PA/BB


J. Iglesias SS 28 66.8 RC/650 .271 BAVG .312 OBP .362 SLG .673 OPS 19.7 PA/BB

L. Martin CF 30 66.1 RC/650 .242 BAVG .294 OBP .374 SLG .668 OPS 17.0 PA/BB


S. Alcantara SS 21 59.0 RC/650 .256 BAVG .323 OBP .312 SLG .635 OPS 11.5 PA/BB

J. McCann C 27 59.0 RC/650 .239 BAVG .292 OBP .353 SLG .645 OPS 15.8 PA/BB

D. Machado SS 26 58.6 RC/650 .254 BAVG .320 OBP .310 SLG .630 OPS 12.7 PA/BB

D. Norris C 29 58.1 RC/650 .218 BAVG .275 OBP .352 SLG .627 OPS 16.4 PA/BB

G. Greiner C 25 57.1 RC/650 .226 BAVG .288 OBP .342 SLG .630 OPS 13.0 PA/BB

**BOLD = Below 2017 AL AVG

Of the 24 players listed, only 5 hit home runs better than the 2017 AL AVG.

V. Martinez
M. Cabrera
C. Huffman
N. Castellanos
C. Stewart

There is a fair chance 2-3 of these do not even start the season with DET Ronny Rodriguez and Mike Gerber would be the next 2 on the list.

And for anyone that is curious, Niko Goodrum (Switch) has started everywhere except P and C over the last 3 years. He is also one of the fastest players DET has. His defense isn't too shabby, regardless of where he plays. He can pitch hit, pinch run and be used as a defensive replacement.

 

[Rebbiv]

C. Frazier LF 23 94.5 RC/650 .268 BAVG .349 OBP .457 SLG .806 OPS 10.1 PA/BB

T. Wade 2B 23 92.5 RC/650 .295 BAVG .372 OBP .397 SLG .769 OPS 9.9 PA/BB


T. Estrada SS 22 70.1 RC/650 .268 BAVG .330 OBP .366 SLG .696 OPS 14.2 PA/BB

 

[Rebbiv]

DET 40-Man and Non-Roster Invitees (Pitchers) last 3 years Away:


D. Stumpf L 27 50.0 RC/650 3.38 xFIP 3.39 ERA 1.06 WHIP .625 OPP OPS 2.8 SO/BB

J. Jimenez R 23 54.5 RC/650 2.20 xFIP 3.12 ERA 1.14 WHIP .595 OPP OPS 4.7 SO/BB

Z. Reininger R 25 57.4 RC/650 2.90 xFIP 3.42 ERA 1.16 WHIP .624 OPP OPS 2.5 SO/BB

S. Turnbull R 25 62.0 RC/650 3.07 xFIP 3.68 ERA 1.27 WHIP .642 OPP OPS 2.3 SO/BB

G. Moreno R 22 62.3 RC/650 2.66 xFIP 3.32 ERA 1.31 WHIP .618 OPP OPS 2.6 SO/BB

B. Hardy L 31 62.5 RC/650 2.45 xFIP 3.63 ERA 1.17 WHIP .646 OPP OPS 4.1 SO/BB

**K. Comer R 25 67.6 RC/650 2.67 xFIP 3.49 ERA 1.31 WHIP .690 OPP OPS 3.3 SO/BB

M. Fulmer R 25 68.9 RC/650 3.49 xFIP 3.37 ERA 1.20 WHIP .686 OPP OPS 3.1 SO/BB

A. Lewicki R 25 70.0 RC/650 2.77 xFIP 3.39 ERA 1.19 WHIP .686 OPP OPS 4.6 SO/BB


**E. Burgos R 27 70.6 RC/650 3.34 xFIP 4.36 ERA 1.61 WHIP .689 OPP OPS 1.7 S0/BB

W. Saupold R 28 71.3 RC/650 3.69 xFIP 3.53 ERA 1.40 WHIP .702 OPP OPS 2.0 SO/BB

A. Wilson R 31 72.8 RC/650 3.73 xFIP 3.63 ERA 1.23 WHIP .712 OPP OPS 2.7 SO/BB

**M. Montgomery R 27 75.0 RC/650 xFIP 2.70 3.86 ERA 1.34 WHIP .685 OPP OPS 3.2 SO/BB

C. Bell L 29 75.3 RC/650 3.86 xFIP 4.65 ERA 1.44 WHIP .736 OPP OPS 1.9 SO/BB

G. Soto L 23 76.3 RC/650 3.20 xFIP 3.46 ERA 1.55 WHIP .717 OPP OPS 1.9 SO/BB

J. Labourt L 24 77.0 RC/650 3.42 xFIP 4.64 ERA 1.44 WHIP .707 OPP OPS 2.1 SO/BB

D. Norris L 24 78.7 RC/650 3.43 xFIP 4.26 ERA 1.37 WHIP .728 OPP OPS 2.4 SO/BB

E. Jimenez R 22 79.9 RC/650 2.45 xFIP 3.86 ERA 1.38 WHIP .722 OPP OPS 3.4 SO/BB

M. Boyd L 27 80.8 RC/650 4.08 xFIP 4.37 ERA 1.34 WHIP .760 OPP OPS 2.7 SO/BB

B. Farmer R 27 80.9 RC/650 3.82 xFIP 4.55 ERA 1.36 WHIP .757 OPP OPS 2.6 SO/BB

D. VerHagen R 27 81.4 RC/650 4.24 xFIP 3.82 ERA 1.47 WHIP .766 OPS OPS 1.6 SO/BB


2017 AL AVG 83.9 RC/650 4.13 xFIP 4.59 ERA 1.37 WHIP .765 OPP OPS 2.5 SO/BB


S. Greene R 29 84.9 RC/650 3.98 xFIP 5.61 ERA 1.47 WHIP .770 OPP OPS 2.1 SO/BB

S. Baez R 24 86.0 RC/650 3.33 xFIP 4.65 ERA 1.37 WHIP .765 OPP OPS 3.5 SO/BB

R. Carpenter L 27 86.7 RC/650 4.01 xFIP 4.97 ERA 1.34 WHIP .780 OPP OPS 3.1 SO/BB

J. Zimmermann R 31 87.9 RC/650 4.00 xFIP 4.43 ERA 1.39 WHIP .789 OPP OPS 3.0 SO/BB


**W. Lamb L 27 95.3 RC/650 4.96 xFIP 4.54 ERA 1.61 WHIP .829 OPP OPS 1.6 SO/BB

M. Fiers R 32 96.0 RC/650 4.41 xFIP 4.86 ERA 1.43 WHIP .814 OPP OPS 2.5 SO/BB


There are 4 DET pitchers who average more HRs given up than the 2017 league average. Fiers, Lamb, Carpenter and Boyd. Zimmermann is just a tad out.

 

[Rebbiv]

C. Adams R 23 45.81 RC/650 3.12 xFIP 2.65 ERA 0.98 WHIP .557 OPP OPS 3.0 SO/BB

B. Burrows R 21 47.3 RC/650 2.88 xFIP 2.77 ERA 1.13 WHIP .564 OPP OPS 2.2 SO/BB

F. Perez R 22 64.4 RC/650 2.83 xFIP 3.43 ERA 1.30 WHIP .654 OPP OPS 3.0 SO/BB

Burrows and F. Perez belong to DET, they just aren't on the 40-man roster (yet).

 

[turok]

As posted on KC's DTTN thread, the Tigers FO apparently attempted to negotiate a contract extension with Nick C, but were rebuffed. So now that makes it more likely that the Tigers will try to trade him over the next two years, preferably to a contender for blue chip prospect(s) @ the trade deadline, or during the next offseason, hopefully w/o his completely sucking in RF beforehand, and having a good '18 season @ the plate.

Of coure the Tigers could try again next year to extend him, but if the team becomes as bad as projected, and he himself has a shitty season overall on O and D, his value to other ballclubs will sink like a rock, and maybe make him more amenable to an extension.

 

[Rebbiv]

As posted on KC's DTTN thread, the Tigers FO apparently attempted to negotiate a contract extension with Nick C, but were rebuffed. So now that makes it more likely that the Tigers will try to trade him over the next two years, preferably to a contender for blue chip prospect(s) @ the trade deadline, or during the next offseason, hopefully w/o his completely sucking in RF beforehand, and having a good '18 season @ the plate.

Of coure the Tigers could try again next year to extend him, but if the team becomes as bad as projected, and he himself has a shitty season overall on O and D, his value to other ballclubs will sink like a rock, and maybe make him more amenable to an extension.

Castellanos WILL NOT garner any blue chip prospects. Period. He has very limited appeal to very few teams. He cannot play defense, so we are talking mostly AL and/or teams of need for a DH.

Further. All I read is about his hard hit rate. Despite that, no other metric showed improvement, especially his walk rate. Having a high hard hit rate does not equate to anything. Look at Freddie Freeman from 2015 to 2016 (high hard hit rate) to 2017. There is no difference, other than his BABIP was greater in 2016 (high hard hit rate). Castellanos, despite his high hard hit rate, had a lower BABIP in 2017 than he did in 2016. There is no correlation to having a high hard hit rate to anything of substance.

Castellanos' value right now is his is power. Despite hitting triples (a product of Comerica), he is a below runner. He doesn't necessarily get on base at a high enough rate.

 

[tomdalton22]

Castellanos WILL NOT garner any blue chip prospects. Period. He has very limited appeal to very few teams. He cannot play defense, so we are talking mostly AL and/or teams of need for a DH.

Further. All I read is about his hard hit rate. Despite that, no other metric showed improvement, especially his walk rate. Having a high hard hit rate does not equate to anything. Look at Freddie Freeman from 2015 to 2016 (high hard hit rate) to 2017. There is no difference, other than his BABIP was greater in 2016 (high hard hit rate). Castellanos, despite his high hard hit rate, had a lower BABIP in 2017 than he did in 2016. There is no correlation to having a high hit rate to anything of substance.

Castellanos' value right now is his is power. Despite hitting triples (a product of Comerica), he is a below runner. He doesn't necessarily get on base at a high enough rate.

career highs in HR, 2B & 3B. Hopefully he continues to improve in those areas and the Tigers can trade him for a something of value. Too bad he sucks defensively...he could be a real asset

 

[Rebbiv]

career highs in HR, 2B & 3B. Hopefully he continues to improve in those areas and the Tigers can trade him for a something of value. Too bad he sucks defensively...he could be a real asset

His counting stats mean nothing without improvement in other areas. He is another Mark Trumbo, you never know what you are going to get from 1 season to the next, other than bad defense.

 

[tomdalton22]

His counting stats mean nothing without improvement in other areas. He is another Mark Trumbo, you never know what you are going to get from 1 season to the next, other than bad defense.

I agree with you on the bad defense.

Not sure I agree with the Trumbo comp. Nick is a better hitter and gets on base more than Trumbo ever did. At age 25 I think he still has a chance to improve.

Either way...he certainly isn't going to be a great player with his shitty defense. That much we can agree on. I hope he hits 20+ HR before the break and someone desperate for a bat over pays for him.

 

[Rebbiv]

I agree with you on the bad defense.

Not sure I agree with the Trumbo comp. Nick is a better hitter and gets on base more than Trumbo ever did. At age 25 I think he still has a chance to improve.

Either way...he certainly isn't going to be a great player with his shitty defense. That much we can agree on. I hope he hits 20+ HR before the break and someone desperate for a bat over pays for him.

The comp is spot on. In a park neutral setting, they get on base roughly the same.

Career Away

Trumbo .294 OBP .451 SLG .745 OPS
Castellanos .292 OBP .431 SLG .723 OPS

Last 3 Away

Castellanos .296 OBP .458 SLG .754 OPS
Trumbo .296 OBP .442 SLG .737 OPS

 

[tomdalton22]

The comp is spot on. In a park neutral setting, they get on base roughly the same.

Career Away

Trumbo .294 OBP .451 SLG .745 OPS
Castellanos .292 OBP .431 SLG .723 OPS

Last 3 Away

Castellanos .296 OBP .458 SLG .754 OPS
Trumbo .296 OBP .442 SLG .737 OPS

Age 24 & 25 seasons

Nick .277 / .325 / .817
Trumbo .254 /.291 / .768

 

[Rebbiv]

Age 24 & 25 seasons

Nick .277 / .325 / .817
Trumbo .254 /.291 / .768

Age 25

Trumbo .247 BAVG .288 OBP .483 SLG .771 OPS

Castellanos .243 BAVG .291 OBP .457 SLG .748 OPS

 

[gotime909]

Didn't Trumbo pull Tyler Skaggs in a trade? A top 15 prospect in all of baseball at the time of the trade.

 

[Rebbiv]

Didn't Trumbo pull Tyler Skaggs in a trade? A top 15 prospect in all of baseball at the time of the trade.

The Diamondbacks gave up both Skaggs and Adam Eaton in the deal.

LAA = Trumbo, A.J. Schugel

ARZ = Skaggs (top 100), Eaton (top 100)

CHW = Hector Santiago, Brandon Jacobs

This is one of the trades that sunk Kevin Towers as GM of the Diamondbacks. Of course, he also took Dontrelle Willis from DET, so he can't be all bad, right?

The fact that some GM might give up a blue chip player is plausible. Expecting it is another matter.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Nick is a bit inconsistent.. When he's on he can be very good.. I'm hoping he can be the DH this season.

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21952177/hot-stove-stock-watch-all-30-teams-actually-done-winter
Hot stove stock watch for all 30 teams: Who has actually done something this winter?
espn

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.blessyouboys.com/2018/1/4/16843248/mlb-trade-rumors-detroit-tigers-pete-kozma
Tigers sign Pete Kozma to minor league deal, per report.
Kozma will provide infield depth behind Jose Iglesias and Dixon Machado.
BYBTB

more garbage from our idiot GM.