Why is Phil Coke on this roster?

[xer0]

he has basically been reduced to a mop up duty pitcher or faces 1 LH batter that he can't even get out most of the time.

this bum seems to have a long leash for someone who has consistently sucked his entire Tigers career.

 

[bdemil1]

he has basically been reduced to a mop up duty pitcher or faces 1 LH batter that he can't even get out most of the time.

this bum seems to have a long leash for someone who has consistently sucked his entire Tigers career.

Last year's playoff run is still in Leyland's mind

 

[Rebbiv]

Since acquiring Veras:

Coke 18 G 12.66 IP 14 H 3 ER 4 BB 8 SO 2.13 ERA 1.42 WHIP

 

[Mitchrapp]

That 1.42 whip is nice :hmm:

Which basically means if he comes in with base runners on, we screwed.

 

[kalinecountry]

He has turned into an out of shape goofball, this I have decided, after yesterday pointing to the sky a pop up that landed as a deep fly base hit.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Looking at Coke's August appearances:

5th - faced 1 batter, gave up hit.
8th - faced 5 batters, 1IP, gave up 2 hits and ER.
9th - faced 2 batters, gave up a hit.
11th - faced 3 batters, all outs.
13th - faced 1 batter, gave up hit, IR scored.
16th DH, faced 1 batter, out and faced 3 batters, gave up hit.

Not my idea of success..

 

[Rebbiv]

That 1.42 whip is nice :hmm:

Which basically means if he comes in with base runners on, we screwed.

Actually, I was wrong on the time-frame. It was from the end of June until now/

He inherited 9 base runners during this time-frame, 2 scored (22.2%).

2013 AL AVG = 30.5%

2012 AL AVG = 29.4%


2013 DET AVG = 31.2%

2013 Coke = 28.6% (3rd best with at least 5 inherited runners)

Only Smyly and Benoit have been better.

If there was a viable loogy available, have at it. Otherwise we have worse relievers than Coke. Rondon pitched 8 innings in August with a 0.00 ERA, yet he has given up 3 of the 5 inherited runners.

Since Acquiring Veras (30 July)

Rondon 8.0 IP 4 H 0 ER 2 BB 8 SO 0.00 ERA 0.75 WHIP 5 IR 3 IS

Reed 1.0 IP 1 H 0 ER 0 BB 0 SO 0.00 ERA 1.00 WHIP 0 IR 0 IS

Benoit 7.6 IP 5 H 1 ER 3 BB 6 SO 1.17 ERA 1.04 WHIP 2 IR 0 IS

Coke 4.6 IP 6 H 1 ER 0 BB 4 SO 1.93 ERA 1.29 WHIP 5 IR 1 IS

Veras 8.3 IP 3 H 2 ER 4 BB 4 SO 2.16 ERA 0.84 WHIP 1 IR 0 IS

Bonderman 7.0 IP 5 H 2 ER 4 BB 8 SO 2.57 ERA 1.29 WHIP 3 IR 0 IS

Smyly 4.3 IP 7 H 2 ER 1 BB 2 SO 4.15 ERA 1.85 WHIP 2 IR 0 IS

Al Al 6.6 IP 9 H 4 ER 3 BB 5 SO 5.40 ERA 1.80 WHIP 5 IR 0 IS

TOTAL 47.6 IP 40 H 12 ER 17 BB 37 SO 2.27 ERA 1.20 WHIP 23 IR 4 IS (17.4%)

Prior to Veras

TOTAL 289.3 IP 268 H 137 ER 116 BB 304 SO 4.26 ERA 1.22 WHIP 118 IR 40 IS (33.9%)

 

[Mitchrapp]

So he was good for awhile and then in August has not been good? I'm not sure that gives me a warm and fuzzy..

 

[Mitchrapp]

The average thing, well, all that tells me is there are many shitty P in baseball. And honestly, I'm getting sick of average - I want above average.

 

[Thumb]

Last year's playoff run is still in Leyland's mind

This would be a great point if Jim Leyland decided who was on the roster.

 

[gotime909]

Actually, I was wrong on the time-frame. It was from the end of June until now/

He inherited 9 base runners during this time-frame, 2 scored (22.2%).

2013 AL AVG = 30.5%

2012 AL AVG = 29.4%


2013 DET AVG = 31.2%

2013 Coke = 28.6% (3rd best with at least 5 inherited runners)

Only Smyly and Benoit have been better.

If there was a viable loogy available, have at it. Otherwise we have worse relievers than Coke. Rondon pitched 8 innings in August with a 0.00 ERA, yet he has given up 3 of the 5 inherited runners.

Since Acquiring Veras (30 July)

Rondon 8.0 IP 4 H 0 ER 2 BB 8 SO 0.00 ERA 0.75 WHIP 5 IR 3 IS

Reed 1.0 IP 1 H 0 ER 0 BB 0 SO 0.00 ERA 1.00 WHIP 0 IR 0 IS

Benoit 7.6 IP 5 H 1 ER 3 BB 6 SO 1.17 ERA 1.04 WHIP 2 IR 0 IS

Coke 4.6 IP 6 H 1 ER 0 BB 4 SO 1.93 ERA 1.29 WHIP 5 IR 1 IS

Veras 8.3 IP 3 H 2 ER 4 BB 4 SO 2.16 ERA 0.84 WHIP 1 IR 0 IS

Bonderman 7.0 IP 5 H 2 ER 4 BB 8 SO 2.57 ERA 1.29 WHIP 3 IR 0 IS

Smyly 4.3 IP 7 H 2 ER 1 BB 2 SO 4.15 ERA 1.85 WHIP 2 IR 0 IS

Al Al 6.6 IP 9 H 4 ER 3 BB 5 SO 5.40 ERA 1.80 WHIP 5 IR 0 IS

TOTAL 47.6 IP 40 H 12 ER 17 BB 37 SO 2.27 ERA 1.20 WHIP 23 IR 4 IS (17.4%)

Prior to Veras

TOTAL 289.3 IP 268 H 137 ER 116 BB 304 SO 4.26 ERA 1.22 WHIP 118 IR 40 IS (33.9%)

To be fair, these are pretty vague stats on the IR's. They don't really tell the situation that the runners were inherited.

For example, to Rondon's defense he was brought in to the following situations.

Smyly left him 2nd and 3rd with no outs. He K'd the first guy, got a groundout to short that scored a run and got a pop out for the last out. Stranding that guy from 2nd allowed us to win the game in extra innings.

Al left him 1st and 3rd, also with no outs. He gave up a single that scored a run, a sac fly for the second run and then got a double play to get out of the inning. This game we were already down 2 in the bottom of the 8th in a game we couldn't score in. Surely you don't wanna see a guy come in and give up a hit right off the bat, but he settled down and got out of the inning without needing help.

 

[gotime909]

This would be a great point if Jim Leyland decided who was on the roster.

Please not this argument again!!! lol

 

[Mitchrapp]

I've always been under the impression a manager has some say who is on the roster..

 

[Thumb]

I've always been under the impression a manager has some say who is on the roster..

Some, yes.

But when a player is terrible, and people say, "Oh it's because of Leyland"; well that's just silly. Dombrowski is not sitting in his office saying, "Man, I wish I could get rid of Phil Coke, but Jim won't let me".

Every player on the roster is here because DD wants them here or see's no better alternative at this time, not because Jimmy can give anyone a free pass.

But it's just easier to blame Smokey for everything right?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Some, yes.

But when a player is terrible, and people say, "Oh it's because of Leyland"; well that's just silly. Dombrowski is not sitting in his office saying, "Man, I wish I could get rid of Phil Coke, but Jim won't let me".

Every player on the roster is here because DD wants them here or see's no better alternative at this time, not because Jimmy can give anyone a free pass.

But it's just easier to blame Smokey for everything right?

When he puts them out there. Coke should be mop up only. And against LHB only. If Coke pitches to a RHB that's all on Leyland.

 

[Thumb]

When he puts them out there. Coke should be mop up only. And against LHB only. If Coke pitches to a RHB that's all on Leyland.

No argument here. But there are times where you can't burn a pitcher for just one guy, there are always going to be situations where you have to ask a guy to get x amount of outs, no matter which side of the plate they are on.

 

[Mitchrapp]

No argument here. But there are times where you can't burn a pitcher for just one guy, there are always going to be situations where you have to ask a guy to get x amount of outs, no matter which side of the plate they are on.

We have enough P to cover that. Long 14 inning games maybe, or 12-11 games etc. The thing is he's not even a LH specialist because he's not even good against LHB. His BA is actually worse when he pitches against LHB.

The bottom line is, Coke should not have more PA against RHB.

 

[dale675]

Maybe he should reinvent himself as a starter. Oh wait...

 

[turok]

Maybe he should reinvent himself as a starter. Oh wait...

Yeah...BTDT, but maybe Coke can get a job as a storm/tornado spotter instead, since he likes to point up @ the sky.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Yeah...BTDT, but maybe Coke can get a job as a storm/tornado spotter instead, since he likes to point up @ the sky.

I had a job once, in college, I called it the looker upper. Guy I was working with was renovating a build and my job was to hand him things so he didn't have to come all way the way down the latter. He wanted me to continue looking up to make sure nothing fell on me..

20 hours a week for 4 months all I did was look up. When he wanted something he just came down and got it. I didn't do anything but look up..

For a lousy 4 bucks an hour. This is a job for Phil Coke.