4 Games, Picks and $1,000,000 - Patriots.

[Mitchrapp]

Your making a major assumption that the nfl knows what the **** they are doing when passing out judgement/punishment. Goodell had proven time and time again that is not the case.

Better to start doing it right now rather later..

 

[biggunsbob]

Suspend Stafford 4 games, lose a 1st rounder and a bunch of money in exchange for a Super Bowl?

Sign me up.

Yup me too!!! Get the Air pin out!!!

 

[biggunsbob]

The fine and suspension are ridicules.. NFL League officials are a bunch of hypocrites that have no clue how to deal out punishment..

We are talking about air in footballs.. Holy shit...I guess domestic battery is ok in NFL's eyes..

 

[Mitchrapp]

The fine and suspension are ridicules.. NFL League officials are a bunch of hypocrites that have no clue how to deal out punishment..

We are talking about air in footballs.. Holy shit...I guess domestic battery is ok in NFL's eyes..

Has nothing to do about the air in footballs..it's the fact he cheated, wasn't forth coming and it's NE 2nd offense. That's just the tip. The Rice situation was different, a whole bunch of people fk'd up on that one..

 

[tomdalton22]

The fine and suspension are ridicules.. NFL League officials are a bunch of hypocrites that have no clue how to deal out punishment..

We are talking about air in footballs.. Holy shit...I guess domestic battery is ok in NFL's eyes..

First, domestic battery should be taken care of by law enforcement. The NFL suspends players because having guys that do that sort of thing is bad PR because they represent the league. The Patriots & Tom Brady tampered with equipment to get a competitive advantage and then lied to cover it up. They broke black and white rules that were put in place to keep a level playing field and covered it up. 4 games for Brady is appropriate. 2 draft picks for repeat offenders is appropriate. $1M...meh...no big deal.

IMO the NFL got this one 100% right. Repeat offenders, lied about it and then tried to cover it up.

 

[manchild98]

I heard Jim Gray bring up a good point this morning...there's probably an excellent possibility the NFLPA told Brady not to give them any texts to keep from setting a precedent for any future cases for other players.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Good, **** Brady and the Pats. Cheating bitches.

 

[brewer229]

The fine and suspension are ridicules.. NFL League officials are a bunch of hypocrites that have no clue how to deal out punishment..

We are talking about air in footballs.. Holy shit...I guess domestic battery is ok in NFL's eyes..

They admitted they screwed up with the Rice suspension.

So you decided that two games is the ceiling for any future suspension because they suspended Rice for two games?

 

[Mitchrapp]

I heard Jim Gray bring up a good point this morning...there's probably an excellent possibility the NFLPA told Brady not to give them any texts to keep from setting a precedent for any future cases for other players.

I also heard that a big reason for all this was the Pats didn't get Wells another interview shot at McNally. They didn't make him readily available when Wells asked to interview him again..

 

[inkfreq]

One thing I would argue is that this was a team punishment because Brady's cheating effected the team.

Makes no sense. That would be like fining the owner and taking away picks when a guy is popped using PEDs. It effects his on the field play, and is cheating, but you don't fine the owner.

Fining the team, and taking away picks says they felt it went beyond Brady.

 

[Mitchrapp]

One thing I would argue is that this was a team punishment because Brady's cheating effected the team.

Makes no sense. That would be like fining the owner and taking away picks when a guy is popped using PEDs. It effects his on the field play, and is cheating, but you don't fine the owner.

Fining the team, and taking away picks says they felt it went beyond Brady.

The team didn't make McNally readily available. The team did this before, spygate. Lots of reasons why the team is being fined and losing picks.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

The team didn't make McNally readily available. The team did this before, spygate. Lots of reasons why the team is being fined and losing picks.

This.

The talking heads on the radio have been saying that the team penalties were based on the fact that they wouldn't make McNally available after for another conversation after damning evidence was found. I believe the pattern of cheating had a lot to do with it too, but I hadn't really heard any pundits saying that.

 

[inkfreq]

Has anyone seen the new site the Patriots put up disputing the Wells Report?

http://wellsreportcontext.com/

It actually tries to insinuate that McNally referred to himself as the "Deflator" because he was trying to lose weight. And that when they referred to needing some "new kicks"... they were talking about sneakers.

I really don't care who did what or who knew what, but don't ****ing try to insult our intelligence.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Has anyone seen the new site the Patriots put up disputing the Wells Report?

http://wellsreportcontext.com/

This thread has been on the board for an hour or two.

 

[inkfreq]

This thread has been on the board for an hour or two.

Didn't see it. The Wolverines board seems like an odd place for that conversation, but thanks for the link.

 

[mhughes0021]

after seeing some of the report, listening to wells speak yesterday, and listening to a months worth of talk radio on the subject.....the only proof I heard is they have a guy on their payroll named the deflator. Therefor that OBVIOUSLY means tom brady told him to deflate a bunch of balls prior to the indy game. wow nfl....just wow.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Didn't see it. The Wolverines board seems like an odd place for that conversation, but thanks for the link.

A lot of Michigan fans started adopting the Patriots when Brady started having his mega-success in the NFL.

Also a number of Michigan posters rarely if ever post on other boards.

 

[brewer229]

A lot of Michigan fans started adopting the Patriots when Brady started having his mega-success in the NFL.

Also a number of Michigan posters rarely if ever post on other boards.

I always chuckle when people say they follow the Patriots because of Brady and they are a Michigan fan.

Really they are just following them because they are good and want an excuse and don't want to admit they are bandwagon fans.

 

[brewer229]

Has anyone seen the new site the Patriots put up disputing the Wells Report?

http://wellsreportcontext.com/

It actually tries to insinuate that McNally referred to himself as the "Deflator" because he was trying to lose weight. And that when they referred to needing some "new kicks"... they were talking about sneakers.

I really don't care who did what or who knew what, but don't ****ing try to insult our intelligence.

Seems like this is more for the people who want to believe it was not intentional. They can try and rationalize and use this as their comfort.

Ever their description of the 3 of 4 colt's balls is laughable. They criticize the report for not including the "non-logo" tester, which is fair, but they (Patriots) themselves made a statement saying that 3 of 4 were under inflated, they didn't mention that all 4 registered above the minimum, so they are guilty of the same thing they are disputing.

This would not been nearly as big of a deal if they just came out and said, yes we like a under inflated ball, so we had them take out air. Probably a fine, maybe at worst a game suspension (speculation on my part), but this botched cover-up makes it so much worse. The continued fight makes it even more of a joke.

 

[inkfreq]

Seems like this is more for the people who want to believe it was not intentional. They can try and rationalize and use this as their comfort.

Ever their description of the 3 of 4 colt's balls is laughable. They criticize the report for not including the "non-logo" tester, which is fair, but they (Patriots) themselves made a statement saying that 3 of 4 were under inflated, they didn't mention that all 4 registered above the minimum, so they are guilty of the same thing they are disputing.

This would not been nearly as big of a deal if they just came out and said, yes we like a under inflated ball, so we had them take out air. Probably a fine, maybe at worst a game suspension (speculation on my part), but this botched cover-up makes it so much worse. The continued fight makes it even more of a joke.

You couldn't be more dead on the money here. I have serious doubts that ANYONE not paid professionally to read the Wells Report has done so, or ever will. It's 700+ pages about air pressure and text messages.

I read the Warren Commission report out of interest as a teenager, and I wouldn't even begin to think about reading this boring ass piece of work.

BUT, everyone is reading the headlines and taking is as gospel. "Probably", "More Likely than Not".... etc....

No one knows, aside from the lawyers and TV folks, if the report actually nails Brady to the wall, or is wild speculation, but everyone wants to talk like an expert because they read some Twitter style 140 character headlines.

And the NFL and the Pats are playing off that. It's become a PR war. Claim you have the 100% conclusive proof, claim the proof is bullshit and shoddy investigative work... doesn't matter.

The fans that support Brady will point to the Pats website and say "Look, they disproved the entire report". The fans that hate the Pats will point to Wells and say "They had him dead to rights".

And none of us will actually know, because none of us are bored enough to read the crap.