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[Spartanmack]

Lol


#Facts

LOL. #Factsneedtoberelevantotherwisethey'remeaningless

 

[byco42]

Even if that is true, what does that have to do with uofm being more reliant than osu on the osu/michigan rivalry? I know you uofm guys have fragile egos have a hard time taking anything said about your program by Spartan fans without making it about MSU or how you were once great, etc, etc but it appears you've completely missed my point. Or are you trying to make the point that we should care about your rivalry because we benefit more from it than you do? It's irrelevant to us and everyone else who isn't an mich or osu fan. The Ohio kids we get aren't being recruited by OSU for the most part - of the names you mentioned only LJ Scott had an OSU offer. The other 3 weren't even recruited by OSU. And if memory serves, Scott didn't get his OSU offer until after he had committed to MSU.

So those 22 Ohio kids on the MSU team are all walk-ons? Practice-squad fodder? Okay. OSU never relied on Michigan kids either to compete with MSU. Which is to Dantonio's credit, since it's only been a competition since his arrival.

In other words, you are pointing three fingers at yourself. And the rest of your diatribe even looks like one. Maybe it's true what "they" say: Winning his harder to deal with than losing, especially if you have been accustomed to losing for a prolonged period. There still must be some suspended disbelief circulating around you, which is unusual for "experts" to experience, since they are all so fact-oriented, unless they get in the way.

 

[Michchamp]

stop hitting yourself, sparty

 

[Spartanmack]

So those 22 Ohio kids on the MSU team are all walk-ons? Practice-squad fodder? Okay. OSU never relied on Michigan kids either to compete with MSU. Which is to Dantonio's credit, since it's only been a competition since his arrival.

In other words, you are pointing three fingers at yourself. And the rest of your diatribe even looks like one. Maybe it's true what "they" say: Winning his harder to deal with than losing, especially if you have been accustomed to losing for a prolonged period. There still must be some suspended disbelief circulating around you, which is unusual for "experts" to experience, since they are all so fact-oriented, unless they get in the way.

No, they're scholarship athletes that didn't have offers and weren't even recruited by osu - or uofm for that matter. We don't need to play OSU every year to get those kids to choose MSU over a school that hasn't offered them a scholarship. Or do you think if we didn't play OSU every year they would walk-on to be Buckeye scout team kids instead of Spartan scholarship players?

And I'm not pointing any fingers in any direction. I'm making the point that the divisions should be more balanced and the way to do that is to split up osu and uofm and scrap the rivalry game. There isn't a national powerhouse program in the B1G West, if uofm regains that status, there will be 2 in the East. The NCAA and B1G have destroyed decades of tradition, why should they protect a rivalry that only osu and uofm fans care about?

Yes, of course OSU recruits in michigan, they recruit nationally. But if you think michigan produces anything close to the football talent that comes out of ohio, you're out of your mind. uofm benefits more from the rivalry than osu does. That's not even among the top reasons why they should balance the divisions but I have no doubt you'll continue to make this the focal point of the conversation and will keep insisting that since we took ohio kids from programs like Cinci, Memphis, Miami, Kentucky and IU that we need osu/uofm as much as or possibly more than you do.

And please, tell me where I said I was an "expert". Telling people they don't know what they're talking about when they post irrelevant factoids that don't disprove anything I've said isn't even close to proclaiming myself to be an expert.

 

[byco42]

^^^^^^ I'll not read this post; I'll read the edited one in an hour. ^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Spartanmack]

^^^^^^ I'll not read this post; I'll read the edited one in an hour. ^^^^^^^^^^^^

oooh, that was good.

 

[hungry]

That "random date" was the first meeting between the schools where both were Big Ten members dip shit. I see you still offer little to the boards you post on. Maybe another name change could spark some originality.

Answer the question

You aren't offering anything either, but some rehashed butthurt arguments that we have all read 1,000 times.

Go ahead and pick some more random dates, then talk about how you hate it when Michigan fans talk about history

 

[hungry]

No, they're scholarship athletes that didn't have offers and weren't even recruited by osu - or uofm for that matter. We don't need to play OSU every year to get those kids to choose MSU over a school that hasn't offered them a scholarship. Or do you think if we didn't play OSU every year they would walk-on to be Buckeye scout team kids instead of Spartan scholarship players?

And I'm not pointing any fingers in any direction. I'm making the point that the divisions should be more balanced and the way to do that is to split up osu and uofm and scrap the rivalry game. There isn't a national powerhouse program in the B1G West, if uofm regains that status, there will be 2 in the East. The NCAA and B1G have destroyed decades of tradition, why should they protect a rivalry that only osu and uofm fans care about?

Yes, of course OSU recruits in michigan, they recruit nationally. But if you think michigan produces anything close to the football talent that comes out of ohio, you're out of your mind. uofm benefits more from the rivalry than osu does. That's not even among the top reasons why they should balance the divisions but I have no doubt you'll continue to make this the focal point of the conversation and will keep insisting that since we took ohio kids from programs like Cinci, Memphis, Miami, Kentucky and IU that we need osu/uofm as much as or possibly more than you do.

And please, tell me where I said I was an "expert". Telling people they don't know what they're talking about when they post irrelevant factoids that don't disprove anything I've said isn't even close to proclaiming myself to be an expert.

so you're entire argument is based on something that everyone in the football world knows isn't going to happen. "They" aren't going to scrap the UM-OSU rivalry...ever.

 

[Spartanmack]

so you're entire argument is based on something that everyone in the football world knows isn't going to happen. "They" aren't going to scrap the UM-OSU rivalry...ever.

I'm talking about the way it should be done. The fact that you think it's never going to happen doesn't mean it's not right.

 

[tomdalton22]

I'm talking about the way it should be done. The fact that you think it's never going to happen doesn't mean it's not right.

And just because you think they should change the makeup of the divisions doesn't mean you are right

 

[Spartanmack]

And just because you think they should change the makeup of the divisions doesn't mean you are right

very profound, Tom. very profound indeed.

 

[tomdalton22]

very profound, Tom. very profound indeed.

just pointing out the obvious, just like you did for Hungry

 

[Spartanmack]

just pointing out the obvious, just like you did for Hungry

there's a bit of a difference between telling someone that just because they think something will never happen, doesn't mean it never will and telling me there is a counter-argument to the point I'm making. Perhaps you're not the master of the obvious you think you are.

 

[hungry]

there's a bit of a difference between telling someone that just because they think something will never happen, doesn't mean it never will and telling me there is a counter-argument to the point I'm making. Perhaps you're not the master of the obvious you think you are.

Oh! I doubt it's just me that thinks that they won't ever throw out the OSU-UM rivalry.

 

[byco42]

No, they're scholarship athletes that didn't have offers and weren't even recruited by osu - or uofm for that matter. We don't need to play OSU every year to get those kids to choose MSU over a school that hasn't offered them a scholarship. Or do you think if we didn't play OSU every year they would walk-on to be Buckeye scout team kids instead of Spartan scholarship players?

If your overall point is that M has to play OSU to get kids to come to Michigan in the first place and that if the rivalry stopped that those Ohio kids would go elsewhere...that's your opinion. OH kids only make up 15% of the Michigan roster as it is. That will not likely increase over time.

And I'm not pointing any fingers in any direction. I'm making the point that the divisions should be more balanced and the way to do that is to split up osu and uofm and scrap the rivalry game. There isn't a national powerhouse program in the B1G West, if uofm regains that status, there will be 2 in the East. The NCAA and B1G have destroyed decades of tradition, why should they protect a rivalry that only osu and uofm fans care about?

If you are so hot to see balance, send your beloved Spartans over to the West. I mean, there is no end in sight to MSU's dominance now.

Yes, of course OSU recruits in michigan, they recruit nationally. But if you think michigan produces anything close to the football talent that comes out of ohio, you're out of your mind.

Never claimed that one. Never would.

uofm benefits more from the rivalry than osu does.

M's 2017 recruiting class: Two Ohio kids. Out of 19. Four targets. 2016: ZERO out of 27. ZERO Targets. 2015: Four Ohio kids. One 4-star the rest three stars. M is not relying on OH to be competitive.

And please, tell me where I said I was an "expert". Telling people they don't know what they're talking about when they post irrelevant factoids that don't disprove anything I've said isn't even close to proclaiming myself to be an expert.

Very difficult to disprove an opinion, and a bit discomfiting, I can imagine, when objective numbers dismantle it.

 

[Spartanmack]

Oh! I doubt it's just me that thinks that they won't ever throw out the OSU-UM rivalry.

Oh! well in that case you must be right because consensus opinions are always right.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Oh! well in that case you must be right because consensus opinions are always right.

Is there a time scale on this? Are you saying ever, or in the next few decades?

 

[Spartanmack]

If your overall point is that M has to play OSU to get kids to come to Michigan in the first place and that if the rivalry stopped that those Ohio kids would go elsewhere...that's your opinion. OH kids only make up 15% of the Michigan roster as it is. That will not likely increase over time.

That's not my opinion. My opinion is that uofm benefits more from the rivalry than osu does. And if you're right and the number of Ohio kids drops, then the rivalry will be incrementally less important for you too.

If you are so hot to see balance, send your beloved Spartans over to the West. I mean, there is no end in sight to MSU's dominance now.

Show me where I said MSU was tipping the balance or there was no end to our dominance? I can show you at least 2 posts where I said there are 2 national powers in the East (if uofm regains that status). currently with MSU where it is, it's contributing to the imbalance, that's true. I do see MSU staying strong for awhile while I expect continued weakness from Nebraska and Wisconsin and a precipitous fall back to normal mediocrity for Iowa.

Never claimed that one. Never would.

That's good.

M's 2017 recruiting class: Two Ohio kids. Out of 19. Four targets. 2016: ZERO out of 27. ZERO Targets. 2015: Four Ohio kids. One 4-star the rest three stars. M is not relying on OH to be competitive.

Never claimed that one. See my response to your first point above re: the trend.

Very difficult to disprove an opinion, and a bit discomfiting, I can imagine, when objective numbers dismantle it.

I'll let you know if anyone posts objective numbers to dismantle it.

 

[Spartanmack]

Is there a time scale on this? Are you saying ever, or in the next few decades?

I'm saying I would like to see balance and to really achieve it, uofm and osu should be split up. I think it's ridiculous that with all the tradition that has been destroyed by hte NCAA and B1G, they choose to preserve that rivalry to the detriment of the rest of the league. I don't ever see any programs in the west achieving consistent national prowess AND I think it's more likely that MSU and PSU maintian and/or achieve competitive levels consistently higher than teams in the West. The long term competitive balance in the B1G is heavily concentrated in the East. I don't think it's impossible but I don't have a timeline. I also don't think it's entirely within the leagues control. The BTN will probably keep the league together for the foreseeable future, but I could see this grand experiment failing and this imbalance being a factor for why teams leave.

 

[byco42]

That's not my opinion. My opinion is that uofm benefits more from the rivalry than osu does. And if you're right and the number of Ohio kids drops, then the rivalry will be incrementally less important for you too.

Go to Columbus in October on a home football Saturday and witness. And tell me that this rivalry is not more important to OSU fans than Michigan fans. It's never been an issue where the players played HS football.

Show me where I said MSU was tipping the balance or there was no end to our dominance? I can show you at least 2 posts where I said there are 2 national powers in the East (if uofm regains that status). currently with MSU where it is, it's contributing to the imbalance, that's true. I do see MSU staying strong for awhile while I expect continued weakness from Nebraska and Wisconsin and a precipitous fall back to normal mediocrity for Iowa.

All I am saying is do not volunteer M for a task that MSU can fill.