Head of Big Ten officials agrees Bolden call vs MSU was wrong

[Michchamp]

obvious troll loses it, starts believing his own trolling?

 

[byco42]

Why? is there any chance it would change your opinion of him? I'm sure for every reason or every example you have an excuse for why it's either not true or OK for Bo but not for someone else, particularly Dantonio or you simply don't believe it. You've seen him act like a jackass on the sidelines and in post game press conferences - like in his last Rose Bowl loss. And there's this, which is consistent with what people I knew who played for Bo have said about him.

What did they say?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Why? is there any chance it would change your opinion of him? I'm sure for every reason or every example you have an excuse for why it's either not true or OK for Bo but not for someone else, particularly Dantonio or you simply don't believe it. You've seen him act like a jackass on the sidelines and in post game press conferences - like in his last Rose Bowl loss. And there's this, which is consistent with what people I knew who played for Bo have said about him.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/aug/22/sports/sp-2737

But you probably have other players who say different things about their experiences so it's not possible that this is true, right?

No, I'm not going to deny the truth of this. People used to quit all the time because of Bo. And there are several accounts of how harshly he'd be with people, even kicking them off the team, until he got the behavior he wanted. If that's your valid reason for thinking he's a jackass, so be it. I now know something about your expectations of a football coach and what's acceptable and what's not.

 

[Spartanmack]

No, I'm not going to deny the truth of this. People used to quit all the time because of Bo. And there are several accounts of how harshly he'd be with people, even kicking them off the team, until he got the behavior he wanted. If that's your valid reason for thinking he's a jackass, so be it. I now know something about your expectations of a football coach and what's acceptable and what's not.

it's one of my valid reasons.

 

[Spartanmack]

What did they say?

do you want exact quotes? we're going back nearly 30 years and I didn't have an iPhone or always have my tape recorder going back then. what they said was basically inline with what's in the article. I'll repost it here for you.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/aug/22/sports/sp-2737

 

[Gulo Blue]

it's one of my valid reasons.

So you have more?

 

[Spartanmack]

No, I'm not going to deny the truth of this. People used to quit all the time because of Bo. And there are several accounts of how harshly he'd be with people, even kicking them off the team, until he got the behavior he wanted. If that's your valid reason for thinking he's a jackass, so be it. I now know something about your expectations of a football coach and what's acceptable and what's not.

that's fine, you're free to disagree with me - I fully expect it from uofm fans. Similarly, I know what's acceptable for you from a Michigan coach and what's not acceptable from others.

 

[Gulo Blue]

do you want exact quotes? we're going back nearly 30 years and I didn't have an iPhone or always have my tape recorder going back then. what they said was basically inline with what's in the article. I'll repost it here for you.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/aug/22/sports/sp-2737

FYI, this article is just about an article ripping Bo. It's not the actual article. It even includes the author wondering if he has an axe to grind.

I'm surprised you'd think people would deny it. It's no slam dunk.

 

[byco42]

do you want exact quotes? we're going back nearly 30 years and I didn't have an iPhone or always have my tape recorder going back then. what they said was basically inline with what's in the article. I'll repost it here for you.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/aug/22/sports/sp-2737

No anecdotal information? I can recall a lot of those about a lot of matters. Seems these examples could have stood in relief.

 

[Spartanmack]

So you have more?

have you not been paying attention or are they not valid since we can't call it up immediately because it all happened before Al Gore invented the internet?

 

[Spartanmack]

No anecdotal information? I can recall a lot of those about a lot of matters. Seems these examples could have stood in relief.

Unfortunately, I didn't anticipate this conversation back then, otherwise I would have taken better notes. As it stands, they weren't my anecdotes, it was long time ago and Bo wasn't a hero of mine so shockingly, they don't actually stand in relief. If it helps, given our age at the time, it was probably something along the lines of "Schembechler is a dick" or "an asshole" followed by a story about how he mistreated players or other people - again, consistent with the article I posted.

Clearly, it's not as objective as a fan who filmed and even talked to the guy a couple of times so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Gulo Blue]

have you not been paying attention or are they not valid since we can't call it up immediately because it all happened before Al Gore invented the internet?

Not what I'm asking. Is it more examples of the same reason, or are there any other reasons?

 

[Spartanmack]

Not what I'm asking. Is it more examples of the same reason, or are there any other reasons?

How many do I need?

 

[byco42]

Unfortunately, I didn't anticipate this conversation back then, otherwise I would have taken better notes. As it stands, they weren't my anecdotes, it was long time ago and Bo wasn't a hero of mine so shockingly, they don't actually stand in relief. If it helps, given our age the time, it was probably something along the lines of "Schembechler is a dick" or "an asshole" followed by a story about how he mistreated players or other people - again, consistent with the article I posted.

So you have opinions of players wrapped in hearsay who claim they were mistreated with no details from 30 years ago. Sounds sound to me.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I'm kind of coming in in the middle of this discussion, primarily because regarding the OP what's done is long done.

That said, haven't both coaching and parenting norms changed since the old-school days of guys like Bo?

People would go to jail for shit today that was common place back then.

 

[Spartanmack]

So you have opinions of players wrapped in hearsay who claim they were mistreated with no details from 30 years ago. Sounds sound to me.

granted second hand accounts of guys who played for him is not as sound as the first hand impression of an awe-struck toady who met the guy a couple of times while he was on his best behavior, but it's all I have to go on.

 

[Gulo Blue]

How many do I need?

If, when you call Schembechler a jackass, all you mean is that he was really tough on players and threw tantrums on sidelines, then...'eh.

It's not great, but it's not an especially unique thing in the world of coaching either. In this context, I expected some level of jackassery relative to other coaches.

 

[Spartanmack]

I'm kind of coming in in the middle of this discussion, primarily because regarding the OP what's done is long done.

That said, haven't both coaching and parenting norms changed since the old-school days of guys like Bo?

People would go to jail for shit today that was common place back then.

So next time my 6 year old takes a digger, my reaction shouldn't be "pain don't hurt"

 

[Gulo Blue]

So you have opinions of players wrapped in hearsay who claim they were mistreated with no details from 30 years ago. Sounds sound to me.

No details?! Did you even click the link? He had a JUDGMENTAL GAZE!!!

 

[Spartanmack]

If, when you call Schembechler a jackass, all you mean is that he was really tough on players and threw tantrums on sidelines, then...'eh.

It's not great, but it's not an especially unique thing in the world of coaching either. In this context, I expected some level of jackassery relative to other coaches.

I didn't think it was necessary to put him on a chart or make a list of other coaches that are also jackasses. apologies if you got the impression I was unfairly singling out Bo.