OT: Paterno Knew (and We Knew He Knew)

[Gulo Blue]

deadspin reporting the judge in this case ruled PennState's insurer is not liable for any claims that originated between '92-'99... so presumably there is enough evidence to allow the judge to conclude JoePa/PennSt knew by then.

That's a fairly strong argument. But what happened in 1992? I googled 3 timelines of the scandal, one described as "comprehensive", none mention 1991 or 1992.

 

[TheVictors]

so i just met my wife & kids for lunch at the mall nearby. wife told me some guy (presumably gay) came up to her earlier and said "how much for him? how much for your little boy? i want to buy him! he is so cute!"

I assume (I hope) he intended this as a compliment and was not aware of how ****ING CREEPY this sounds, esp. in light of Jerry Sandusky being back in the news. EEESH... hearing my wife's story made me want to puke.

note to all the creeps who post here: don't do that. don't go up to a parent you don't know and offer to buy their kid. it's just creepy.

Wait, what?!? ****** in Houston???? Gaddummit!!


Perhaps a veiled reference to Blues Brothers ...?

 

[Michchamp]

Wait, what?!? ****** in Houston???? Gaddummit!!


Perhaps a veiled reference to Blues Brothers ...?

there are a lot of them here.

4th largest city in the US, man... get with it. this isn't some two-horse cow-town. (although from the enthusiasm for rodeo week thing, seems some of the locals still wish it was).

 

[Gulo Blue]

Mike McQueary was QB in '97 when undefeated, #1 ranked Penn State was beat 34-8.

 

[Gulo Blue]

This isn't new, but it has some detail I hadn't seen before:
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/10542793/the-whistleblower-last-stand

Still, if there was a Penn State conspiracy of silence, it wasn't a particularly effective one. At least a handful of people say they heard about the 2001 shower incident directly from McQueary, and dozens more say they heard it secondhand. "I knew about this a month or two after it happened," says a former teammate and friend of McQueary's. "It certainly wasn't a secret. We all heard this rumor."

Also, the guy that finally did tip off the police got the information off a fan site:

ONE EVENING IN October 2010, a Penn State football fan named Christopher Houser was reading Blue White Illustrated, a Nittany Lions fan site. He struck up a private chat with John McQueary II about whether Sandusky would ever coach again at PSU. John II told Houser that it was highly unlikely because his younger brother, Mike, had walked in on Sandusky and a boy in a locker room shower in the early 2000s.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

I tend towards the latter. It would be better to have questioned him. None of this "allegations against a guy that can't defend himself" stuff.

The old **** died just in time to avoid being brought to justice. And his business dealings with Sandusky and the Second Mile bunch suggest that he kept his mouth shut about Sandusky because he was making a lot of money off of these business deals. Was he blackmailing Sandusky? "You set me up with lucrative business deals or I am going to drop the hammer on your ass for molesting kids." I would not be surprised if this was the case. He got Sandusky out of PSU, to protect the PSU program, but he didn't give a damn about the kids that Sandusky had molested. And does anyone think that the Second Mile bunch didn't know about Sandusky? It is all unbelievably disgusting! It's putrid!! These ****s, including Paterno, were basically making a boat load of money off the backs of molested children. PSU should not only not put Paterno's statue back up, they should forfeit all his wins, NCs, etc. Just wipe it all out.

 

[thewolverines24]

They should be forced to melt his statue, turn it into some sort of bomb, and drop it on their stadium. When the stadium is empty of course.

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[Michchamp]

They should be forced to melt his statue, turn it into some sort of bomb, and drop it on their stadium. When the stadium is empty of course.

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what if they first invited all the people that defend JoePa, rioted in State College after he resigned, and attacked the victims for coming forward, THEN dropped the bomb?

 

[Michchamp]

That's a fairly strong argument. But what happened in 1992? I googled 3 timelines of the scandal, one described as "comprehensive", none mention 1991 or 1992.

who knows? i haven't yet been able to find the original source documents or any written orders from the court. I don't know why its so hard for reporters to post the PDFs of source info on their site to download.

this CBS sports article seems the most comprehensive one written so far. most of the other stuff I've clicked on is just one or two quotes and 500 words reiterating the same thing originally reported in the WaPo.

this article notes that Bradley was also Penn State's interim coach for the remainder of the '11 season. he was certainly there a lot longer than Schiano... seems likely he would've heard something if this was really the open secret around the program (as some evidence suggests).

what an awful scandal... it's so bad, and the abuse that happened is so despicable it really seems to taint the entire University.

 

[thewolverines24]

what if they first invited all the people that defend JoePa, rioted in State College after he resigned, and attacked the victims for coming forward, THEN dropped the bomb?

I'm not against it.

 

[Michchamp]

the Onion had fun teeing off on PennState for a couple years. they should pick it back up:

"Bill O'Brien Promises To Never Uphold The Traditions And Values Penn State Now Stands For"

"Joe Paterno's Name To Remain On Joe Paterno Center For Covering Up Sexual Abuse"

and so forth...

 

[tinselwolverine]

what if they first invited all the people that defend JoePa, rioted in State College after he resigned, and attacked the victims for coming forward, THEN dropped the bomb?

Yeah, he didn't resign.

He was fired.

He announced his intention to retire at the end of the season but the University decided not to wait and relieved him of his duties within about a day of his announcement.

 

[Michchamp]

Yeah, he didn't resign.

He was fired.

He announced his intention to retire at the end of the season but the University decided not to wait and relieved him of his duties within about a day of his announcement.

yeah, you're right... I forgot about the way it ended

according to wikipedia, the way he left adds a bit of dark comedy to the whole thing.

turns out he first tried to retire before the 2011 season started, in exchange for a $3 million dollar "early retirement bonus." He certainly knew the judgment of history was fast approaching (the Grand jury was convened in 2010; McQueary's testimony was in Dec. 2010). they never reached a deal though and negotiations continued as the season started, with Paterno's retirement package eventually growing to include payouts and benefits totalling $5.5 MILLION, including paying for 25 years of private jet travel for him (he was EIGHTY FIVE! he expected to live to 110?).

after the scandal publicly broke, he offered to resign at the end of the season but in his public resignation statement demanded the Penn State board of directors stay out of it, claimed he was doing them a favor, and said they had more important things to worry about. they decided the bad press was only going to get worse, rejected his offer and canned him.

wikipedia also says that under the threat of legal action from the Paterno family, including defamation (!!!), and hate mail from the sort of assholes that defend paterno and cheer for penn state, the university agreed to pay most of the retirement package to the Paterno family/JoePa estate. maybe the school's law department figured the lawsuit would be like wrestling a pig... even though they'd probably win on the defamation claim (since Paterno did, after all, cover up & enable decades of child abuse), they'd still come out of it looking dirty. and paterno's clan had nothing to lose by that point, so they'd probably go all out on who in the university administration knew what and when.

unfuckingbelievable.

oh, and Nike renamed the "Joe Paterno Child Development Center" outside its HQ in Oregon around this time. I guess thats what that Onion article i posted was making fun of.

of all the things to name after JoePa... they picked a child development center. yikes.

 

[Gulo Blue]

One thing that didn't get as much attention (because it wasn't as big a deal) was that some time after he died, stories started leaking about disciplinary things. I remember there was a story...when he was alive, it was a few of his players got in a fight and he made the entire team clean up garbage from the stadium after games. I was right there with the common reaction: "Nice. Old school discipline! That's how it should be."

After he died, it came out that a group of players went to someones house or apartment to beat him up. The police should have been involved. Picking up trash was letting those involved off easy.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

Is it Pedterno or Paturdno? I'm confused.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Wait, what?!? ****** in Houston???? Gaddummit!!


Perhaps a veiled reference to Blues Brothers ...?

Wondered if anyone else would recognize that..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvZgwtpPmLY

 

[lostleader]

Wondered if anyone else would recognize that..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvZgwtpPmLY

Honestly I thought that was where he was going with it, as more of a joke. I think I may have punched that guy in the face, for asking something like that.