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July 23, 2021 Biden's "private" conversation with with Ghani.
Link from Reuters
July 8, 2021. Biden address on US drawdown.
Conclusion: Biden lied, or was blind to the actual circumstances, or both. Modus Vivendi: an arrangement or agreement allowing conflicting parties to coexist peacefully, either indefinitely or until a final settlement is reached.
BIDEN: You know, I am a moment late. But I mean it sincerely. Hey look, I want to make it clear that I am not a military man any more than you are, but I have been meeting with our Pentagon folks, and our national security people, as you have with ours and yours, and as you know and I need not tell you the perception around the world and in parts of Afghanistan, I believe, is that things aren?t going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban.
BIDEN: And there?s a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture.
BIDEN: And there?s a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture.
Link from Reuters
July 8, 2021. Biden address on US drawdown.
Together, with our NATO Allies and partners, we have trained and equipped over three hu- ? nearly 300,000 current serving members of the military ? of the Afghan National Security Force, and many beyond that who are no longer serving. Add to that, hundreds of thousands more Afghan National Defense and Security Forces trained over the last two decades.
We provided our Afghan partners with all the tools ? let me emphasize: all the tools, training, and equipment of any modern military. We provided advanced weaponry. And we?re going to continue to provide funding and equipment. And we?ll ensure they have the capacity to maintain their air force.
But most critically, as I stressed in my meeting just two weeks ago with President Ghani and Chairman Abdullah, Afghan leaders have to come together and drive toward a future that the Afghan people want and they deserve.
In our meeting, I also assured Ghani that U.S. support for the people of Afghanistan will endure. We will continue to provide civilian and humanitarian assistance, including speaking out for the rights of women and girls.
We provided our Afghan partners with all the tools ? let me emphasize: all the tools, training, and equipment of any modern military. We provided advanced weaponry. And we?re going to continue to provide funding and equipment. And we?ll ensure they have the capacity to maintain their air force.
But most critically, as I stressed in my meeting just two weeks ago with President Ghani and Chairman Abdullah, Afghan leaders have to come together and drive toward a future that the Afghan people want and they deserve.
In our meeting, I also assured Ghani that U.S. support for the people of Afghanistan will endure. We will continue to provide civilian and humanitarian assistance, including speaking out for the rights of women and girls.
Q Is a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan now inevitable?
THE PRESIDENT: No, it is not.
Q Why?
THE PRESIDENT: Because you ? the Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped ? as well-equipped as any army in the world ? and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban. It is not inevitable.
Q Mr. President, thank you very much. Your own intelligence community has assessed that the Afghan government will likely collapse.
THE PRESIDENT: That is not true.
Q Is it ? can you please clarify what they have told you about whether that will happen or not?
THE PRESIDENT: That is not true. They did not ? they didn?t ? did not reach that conclusion.
Q So what is the level of confidence that they have that it will not collapse?
THE PRESIDENT: The Afghan government and leadership has to come together. They clearly have the capacity to sustain the government in place. The question is: Will they generate the kind of cohesion to do it? It?s not a question of whether they have the capacity. They have the capacity. They have the forces. They have the equipment. The question is: Will they do it?
And I want to make clear what I made clear to Ghani: that we are not going just sus- ? walk away and not sustain their ability to maintain that force. We are. We?re going to also work to make sure we help them in terms of everything from food necessities and other things in ? in the region. But ? but, there?s not a conclusion that, in fact, they cannot defeat the Taliban.
I believe the only way there?s going to be ? this is now Joe Biden, not the intelligence community ? the only way there?s ultimately going to be peace and security in Afghanistan is that they work out a modus vivendi with the Taliban and they make a judgment as to how they can make peace.
And the likelihood there?s going to be one unified government in Afghanistan controlling the whole country is highly unlikely.
THE PRESIDENT: No, it is not.
Q Why?
THE PRESIDENT: Because you ? the Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped ? as well-equipped as any army in the world ? and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban. It is not inevitable.
Q Mr. President, thank you very much. Your own intelligence community has assessed that the Afghan government will likely collapse.
THE PRESIDENT: That is not true.
Q Is it ? can you please clarify what they have told you about whether that will happen or not?
THE PRESIDENT: That is not true. They did not ? they didn?t ? did not reach that conclusion.
Q So what is the level of confidence that they have that it will not collapse?
THE PRESIDENT: The Afghan government and leadership has to come together. They clearly have the capacity to sustain the government in place. The question is: Will they generate the kind of cohesion to do it? It?s not a question of whether they have the capacity. They have the capacity. They have the forces. They have the equipment. The question is: Will they do it?
And I want to make clear what I made clear to Ghani: that we are not going just sus- ? walk away and not sustain their ability to maintain that force. We are. We?re going to also work to make sure we help them in terms of everything from food necessities and other things in ? in the region. But ? but, there?s not a conclusion that, in fact, they cannot defeat the Taliban.
I believe the only way there?s going to be ? this is now Joe Biden, not the intelligence community ? the only way there?s ultimately going to be peace and security in Afghanistan is that they work out a modus vivendi with the Taliban and they make a judgment as to how they can make peace.
And the likelihood there?s going to be one unified government in Afghanistan controlling the whole country is highly unlikely.
Conclusion: Biden lied, or was blind to the actual circumstances, or both. Modus Vivendi: an arrangement or agreement allowing conflicting parties to coexist peacefully, either indefinitely or until a final settlement is reached.
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