Fister Traded, now is retiring from baseball

[Mitchrapp]

Your wrong he didn't look like shit. He is a good pitcher.

Yeah okay..

 

[Thumb]

Ian Krol has looked dominating this spring.

Your wrong he didn't look like shit. He is a good pitcher.

Normally I would say ST numbers don't mean shit, and they don't. Except in this case you're specifically talking about his ST numbers, so...

12 hits in 9.1 IP > Not good.
7 ER in 9.1 IP > Not good.
6.75 ERA and 1.714 WHIP > Not good.

So when Mitch says he looked like shit, and you say "your" wrong, he looked dominating/good pitcher. Which numbers support that theory?

And yes, I am a grammar Nazi.

 

[Rebbiv]

Players have off years it happens. Look at the 2008 season of Justin Verlander it was terrible. He came right back the next year and was great again.

There is no reason Phil Coke can't have a bounce back season. Command , command command.

Some Tiger fans on this board bash certain players over and over. I do not understand this logic. It is almost as if they root against a certain player or players just to back up previous posts that they have made. Even if it means the Tigers lose. That is a bunch of BS.

We are all Detroit Tiger fans here lets not lose focus of that. You disagree with me on Phil Coke so be it. But if he bounces back, with all the previous anti Phil Coke statements you have made I suspect you to be miserable.

I have went round and round with Rebbiv about Billy Hamilton , Ian Kinsler. It is so hard for me to believe he did this,cause he will be proven wrong barring injury. I am sure Rebbiv will be miserable with Billy and Ian all season long.

Speaking of injury, Fister is on the DL. With him out of here at least Smyly had the whole spring to stretch out and prepare for the up comming season as a starter.

The season is almost here finally. Drink a few beers and relax and enjoy watching the 2014 World Champion Detroit Tigers.

We also went round and round with Lombardozzi and Rajai Davis.

I won't be miserable at all, and certainly not in one season. It will take multiple seasons to prove a point.

I do not rut against any Tiger player. I evaluate them all objectively, not subjectively.

I think everyone is well aware of the insane home and away splits for Ian Kinsler. We may not know exactly how well he will it inside Comerica Park, but we do know he hits for shit on the road, so for at least 81 games he will be a liability.

Billy Hamilton does not even have a Minor League OPS that would indicate future success. History is against his side. Yet, despite me giving you the numbers and what MLB history has shown to be the case, you discount it all. Got it. You have the right to have a different opinion. But when your opinion is based on "because I said so", don't be surprised that someone will call you on it.

 

[stonecold2136]

We also went round and round with Lombardozzi and Rajai Davis.

I won't be miserable at all, and certainly not in one season. It will take multiple seasons to prove a point.

I do not rut against any Tiger player. I evaluate them all objectively, not subjectively.

I think everyone is well aware of the insane home and away splits for Ian Kinsler. We may not know exactly how well he will it inside Comerica Park, but we do know he hits for shit on the road, so for at least 81 games he will be a liability.

Billy Hamilton does not even have a Minor League OPS that would indicate future success. History is against his side. Yet, despite me giving you the numbers and what MLB history has shown to be the case, you discount it all. Got it. You have the right to have a different opinion. But when your opinion is based on "because I said so", don't be surprised that someone will call you on it.

I used previous minor league numbers with Hamilton. Not because I said so. His drink of water with the Reds was also impressive at the end of 2013. I guess his 2012 numbers of a .400 OBP and 155 SB's mean nothing. 2013 he was banged up for quarter of the season but he played through it.

With a clean bill of health this year. He should be the most exciting player in baseball to watch this year.

 

[stonecold2136]

Normally I would say ST numbers don't mean shit, and they don't. Except in this case you're specifically talking about his ST numbers, so...

12 hits in 9.1 IP > Not good.
7 ER in 9.1 IP > Not good.
6.75 ERA and 1.714 WHIP > Not good.

So when Mitch says he looked like shit, and you say "your" wrong, he looked dominating/good pitcher. Which numbers support that theory?

And yes, I am a grammar Nazi.

ok since we are splitting hairs here once again. Which seems to be the norm with you. He started out with 4 shutout innings in 4 games with a 5:1 K:BB ratio which is dominating.

He had a couple appearances nce then where he got touched up, big deal it's only 9.1 innings.

 

[Rebbiv]

I used previous minor league numbers with Hamilton. Not because I said so. His drink of water with the Reds was also impressive at the end of 2013. I guess his 2012 numbers of a .400 OBP and 155 SB's mean nothing. 2013 he was banged up for quarter of the season but he played through it.

With a clean bill of health this year. He should be the most exciting player in baseball to watch this year.

How do you know 2012 wasn't a "fluke"?

The last 2 years Minor League Away

M. Trout .325 BAVG .422 OBP .518 SLG .940 OPS .376 BABIP (+51) 8.3 PA/BB

A. Jackson .313 BAVG .375 OBP .458 SLG .833 OPS .389 BABIP (+76) 12.0 PA/BB

B. Hamilton .291 BAVG .363 OBP .378 SLG .741 OPS .371 BABIP (+80) 10.0 PA/BB

To his advantage, Hamilton gets to play in a hitter's park.

 

[stonecold2136]

How do you know 2012 wasn't a "fluke"?

The last 2 years Minor League Away

M. Trout .325 BAVG .422 OBP .518 SLG .940 OPS .376 BABIP (+51) 8.3 PA/BB

A. Jackson .313 BAVG .375 OBP .458 SLG .833 OPS .389 BABIP (+76) 12.0 PA/BB

B. Hamilton .291 BAVG .363 OBP .378 SLG .741 OPS .371 BABIP (+80) 10.0 PA/BB

To his advantage, Hamilton gets to play in a hitter's park.

I can't prove it was or wasn't. But I can go by raw ability. He was banged up and learning a new position CF last year. He was a SS and has a good eye at the plate, which helps his game.

At the end of the 2014 season Billy Hamiton with have the all time record of runs scored at 198.

I guanatee this.

 

[Thumb]

ok since we are splitting hairs here once again. Which seems to be the norm with you. He started out with 4 shutout innings in 4 games with a 5:1 K:BB ratio which is dominating.

He had a couple appearances nce then where he got touched up, big deal it's only 9.1 innings.

So what you're saying is, one small sample [his first 4.0 innings] matters and is important, while another small sample [his last 5.1 innings] does not, and neither does the sum total?

And I'm the one splitting hairs? LOL

 

[Rebbiv]

I can't prove it was or wasn't. But I can go by raw ability. He was banged up and learning a new position CF last year. He was a SS and has a good eye at the plate, which helps his game.

At the end of the 2014 season Billy Hamiton with have the all time record of runs scored at 198.

I guanatee this.

The record was set by a player that had a .521 OBP in 702 Plate Appearances. Which means, he was on base 366 times (1.85 Rate). You expect a rookie to have 366 times on base in 2014.

Miguel Cabrera lead all of baseball with a .442 OBP in 2013.

Tops OBP per season last 15 seasons

2013 = .442 (Cabrera)
2012 = .416 (Mauer)
2011 = .448 (Cabrera)
2010 = .424 (Votto)
2009 = .444 (Mauer)
2008 = .470 (C. Jones)
2007 = .445 (D. Ortiz)
2006 = .439 (M. Ramirez)
2005 = .445 (Helton)
2004 = .609 (B.Bonds), next was .469 (Helton)
2003 = .529 (B.Bonds), next was .458 (Helton)
2002 = .582 (B.Bonds), next was .450 (M.Ramirez)
2001 = .515 (B.Bonds), next was .477 (J.Giambi)
2000 = .476 (J.Giambi)
1999 = .468 (L.Walker)

Runs Scored last 15 years

1999 - Bagwell 143 (.454 OBP, 729 PA = 331 times on base, 2.31)
2000 - Bagwell 152 (.424 OBP, 719 PA = 305 times on base, 2.01)
2001 - S. Sosa 146 (.437 OBP, 711 PA = 311 times on base, 2.13)
2002 - Soriano 128 (.332 OBP, 741 PA = 246 times on base, 1.92)
2003 - A. Pujols 137 (.439 OBP, 685 PA = 301 times on base, 2.20)
2004 - A. Pujols 133 (.415 OBP, 692 PA = 287 times on base, 2.16)
2005 - A. Pujols 129 (.430 OBP, 700 PA = 301 times on base, 2.33)
2006 - Sizemore 134 (.375 OBP, 751 PA = 282 times on base, 2.10)
2007 - A. Rodriguez 143 (.422 OBP, 708 PA = 299 times on base, 2.09)
2008 - H. Ramirez 125 (.400 OBP, 693 PA = 277 times on base, 2.22)
2009 - A. Pujols 124 (.443 OBP, 700 PA = 310 times on base, 2.50)
2010 - A. Pujols 115 (.414 OBP, 700 PA = 290 times on base, 2.52)
2011 - Granderson 136 (.364 OBP, 691 PA = 252 times on base, 1.85)
2012 - M. Trout 129 (.399 OBP, 639 PA = 255 times on base, 1.98)
2013 - M. Carpenter 128 (.392 OBP, 717 PA = 281 times on base, 2.20)

So, to rap up. A excellent rate is 1.85. Multiply that by the 198 runs, you get 366 times on base. At 700 Plate Appearances, you get .523 OBP. An OBP only a suspected PED user has reached in the last 15 years. Typical is around .425 - .450 OBP. 700 PA x .425 = 298 times on base. There is no way someone scores 198 runs in only 298 times on base. None.

 

[stonecold2136]

The record was set by a player that had a .521 OBP in 702 Plate Appearances. Which means, he was on base 366 times (1.85 Rate). You expect a rookie to have 366 times on base in 2014.

Miguel Cabrera lead all of baseball with a .442 OBP in 2013.

Tops OBP per season last 15 seasons

2013 = .442 (Cabrera)
2012 = .416 (Mauer)
2011 = .448 (Cabrera)
2010 = .424 (Votto)
2009 = .444 (Mauer)
2008 = .470 (C. Jones)
2007 = .445 (D. Ortiz)
2006 = .439 (M. Ramirez)
2005 = .445 (Helton)
2004 = .609 (B.Bonds), next was .469 (Helton)
2003 = .529 (B.Bonds), next was .458 (Helton)
2002 = .582 (B.Bonds), next was .450 (M.Ramirez)
2001 = .515 (B.Bonds), next was .477 (J.Giambi)
2000 = .476 (J.Giambi)
1999 = .468 (L.Walker)

Runs Scored last 15 years

1999 - Bagwell 143 (.454 OBP, 729 PA = 331 times on base, 2.31)
2000 - Bagwell 152 (.424 OBP, 719 PA = 305 times on base, 2.01)
2001 - S. Sosa 146 (.437 OBP, 711 PA = 311 times on base, 2.13)
2002 - Soriano 128 (.332 OBP, 741 PA = 246 times on base, 1.92)
2003 - A. Pujols 137 (.439 OBP, 685 PA = 301 times on base, 2.20)
2004 - A. Pujols 133 (.415 OBP, 692 PA = 287 times on base, 2.16)
2005 - A. Pujols 129 (.430 OBP, 700 PA = 301 times on base, 2.33)
2006 - Sizemore 134 (.375 OBP, 751 PA = 282 times on base, 2.10)
2007 - A. Rodriguez 143 (.422 OBP, 708 PA = 299 times on base, 2.09)
2008 - H. Ramirez 125 (.400 OBP, 693 PA = 277 times on base, 2.22)
2009 - A. Pujols 124 (.443 OBP, 700 PA = 310 times on base, 2.50)
2010 - A. Pujols 115 (.414 OBP, 700 PA = 290 times on base, 2.52)
2011 - Granderson 136 (.364 OBP, 691 PA = 252 times on base, 1.85)
2012 - M. Trout 129 (.399 OBP, 639 PA = 255 times on base, 1.98)
2013 - M. Carpenter 128 (.392 OBP, 717 PA = 281 times on base, 2.20)

So, to rap up. A excellent rate is 1.85. Multiply that by the 198 runs, you get 366 times on base. At 700 Plate Appearances, you get .523 OBP. An OBP only a suspected PED user has reached in the last 15 years. Typical is around .425 - .450 OBP. 700 PA x .425 = 298 times on base. There is no way someone scores 198 runs in only 298 times on base. None.

It's a good way to win a bet.

Look up who already has the all time record with 198 runs scored.

 

[Rebbiv]

It's a good way to win a bet.

Look up who already has the all time record with 198 runs scored.

I already saw it was Billy Hamilton. How do you think I knew the times on base.

Additionally, bets under false pretense would not hold up in a court.

Since World War II

Runs = Bagwell 152 (2000)

RBIs = M. Ramirez 165 (1999)

 

[mhughes0021]

Fisters on the DL. great trade dave!

 

[biggunsbob]

I already saw it was Billy Hamilton. How do you think I knew the times on base.

Additionally, bets under false pretense would not hold up in a court.

Since World War II

Runs = Bagwell 152 (2000)

RBIs = M. Ramirez 165 (1999)

R...
Is there anyone out there we could find off the scrap heap for left field.... I just don't think Davis will hold up.. He needs to be platooned..

 

[Rebbiv]

R...
Is there anyone out there we could find off the scrap heap for left field.... I just don't think Davis will hold up.. He needs to be platooned..

I am not sure I want them to find one. (or Alex Gonzalez/Andrew Romine debacles).


Tigers sign Player X off of the scrap heap. Player X plays better than he ever has in his career (Tigers miss playoffs). Tigers sign Player X to a lucrative contract extension. Flash forward, 2015, Player X is optioned to AAA by mid-season.

I would rather Fields or Collins fill the role for now. Just like I would had rather they promoted Suarez. Who is still probably better than Romine or 37-year old Alex Gonzalez.

 

[jdeb]

Makes me wonder if this was Ausmus call or DD. DD more than likely. Ausmus may have influenced it by saying the other guys were not ready.

 

[stonecold2136]

He looked like shit what are you looking at..

You were wrong about Ian Krol, he is a dominant LHP pitcher that has filled the bullpen role Drew Smyly vacated last year with ease. Krol being lights out means further justification of how wrong you were and how terrible you are at assessing under the radar talent not picked in the 1st round.

 

[stonecold2136]

Normally I would say ST numbers don't mean shit, and they don't. Except in this case you're specifically talking about his ST numbers, so...

12 hits in 9.1 IP > Not good.
7 ER in 9.1 IP > Not good.
6.75 ERA and 1.714 WHIP > Not good.

So when Mitch says he looked like shit, and you say "your" wrong, he looked dominating/good pitcher. Which numbers support that theory?

And yes, I am a grammar Nazi.

Now that the regular season has started everyone in the world gets to see what a world class dominant lights out LHP Ian Krol is.

The best thing about it is you have repeatedly bashed Ian Krol over and over.

With every good pitch and every dominate outing he has it just shows how little you knew about him and proves you wrong every good outing he has.

Your misery will grow worse until u finally accept he is a good pitcher. Which I just don't see u accepting.

We have our version of Glen Perkins in Detroit and it was over your head and under your feet when he arrived

 

[jdeb]

Now that the regular season has started everyone in the world gets to see what a world class dominant lights out LHP Ian Krol is.

The best thing about it is you have repeatedly bashed Ian Krol over and over.

With every good pitch and every dominate outing he has it just shows how little you knew about him and proves you wrong every good outing he has.

Your misery will grow worse until u finally accept he is a good pitcher. Which I just don't see u accepting.

We have our version of Glen Perkins in Detroit and it was over your head and under your feet when he arrived

give it time on krohl. new league. scouting reports will gain ground. he really is nothing special.

 

[gotime909]

give it time on krohl. new league. scouting reports will gain ground. he really is nothing special.

I wouldn't go that far. He is only 22. Worst case I'd say he's a good lefty only reliever.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You were wrong about Ian Krol, he is a dominant LHP pitcher that has filled the bullpen role Drew Smyly vacated last year with ease. Krol being lights out means further justification of how wrong you were and how terrible you are at assessing under the radar talent not picked in the 1st round.

Based on 3.2 innings? You consider him lights out after just 3.2 innings? This post might have meant something if the all star break, not April 13..