Buyers or sellers?

[lonesometiger]

ESPN top headline at 07:30, 7-27-16; "MLB Rumor Central: Tigers among teams looking at Jonathan Lucroy." I'm all for it as of now. The real question is what to give?

 

[Rebbiv]

ESPN top headline at 07:30, 7-27-16; "MLB Rumor Central: Tigers among teams looking at Jonathan Lucroy." I'm all for it as of now. The real question is what to give?

Anything they want.

 

[gotime909]

Great way to upgrade pitching and catcher with one move.

 

[tomdalton22]

Rosenthal also noted that the Tigers were a "surprise entrant" to the race for Lucroy, and the team's system might be too thin to provide a strong enough offer for Milwaukee to seriously consider.

 

[dale675]

Anything they want.

Would McCann, Jacoby Jones & Steven Moya be enough? Probably not. But worth trying. I'd even trade Norris & McCann for Lucroy.

 

[Rebbiv]

Would McCann, Jacoby Jones & Steven Moya be enough? Probably not. But worth trying. I'd even trade Norris & McCann for Lucroy.

Nobody is going to want McCann or Moya. Jones has attitude issues. It would probably take Stewart and/or Alexander.

 

[tomdalton22]

Nobody is going to want McCann or Moya. Jones has attitude issues. It would probably take Stewart and/or Alexander.

Probably not worth it for 1 1/4 year of Lucroy.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Anything they want.

Anything? For 2 months? That's a hard sell.

 

[Mitchrapp]

No way we're a C away from competing for a title..

 

[gotime909]

Anything? For 2 months? That's a hard sell.

I believe there's an option for next year too.

 

[Rebbiv]

Probably not worth it for 1 1/4 year of Lucroy.

Lucroy is arguably the 2nd best all-around catcher behind Posey. He is making $4.25 Mil this year and has a $5.25 Mil Club Option for 2017. He would arguably increase the Tigers by 4 wins with the schedule remaining. If the Tigers are serious about contending, he is the difference maker they need.

Additionally, there is always a chance they work out an extension prior to the end of 2017. If not, they give him a qualifying offer.

If any player has gold value right now, it is Lucroy.

 

[Rebbiv]

WAR Rankings

C = 17th
1B = 7th
2B = 7th
SS = 14th
3B = 18th
LF = 28th
CF = 19th
RF = 30th

OF = 29th

DH = 9th


Pitching = 9th
Starters = 13th
Relievers = 7th

**Disclaimer: I am not a proponent of WAR, but I found these rankings interesting.

 

[tomdalton22]

Lucroy is arguably the 2nd best all-around catcher behind Posey. He is making $4.25 Mil this year and has a $5.25 Mil Club Option for 2017. He would arguably increase the Tigers by 4 wins with the schedule remaining. If the Tigers are serious about contending, he is the difference maker they need.

Additionally, there is always a chance they work out an extension prior to the end of 2017. If not, they give him a qualifying offer.

If any player has gold value right now, it is Lucroy.

So you think if Lucroy was on the Tigers all year they would be 61-41....the second best record in baseball?

 

[lonesometiger]

Would McCann, Jacoby Jones & Steven Moya be enough? Probably not. But worth trying. I'd even trade Norris & McCann for Lucroy.

Here something too many do not think about at these trade dead lines.
Lucroy is one player on the 40 man roster. Your trade idea would put 3 40 man roster players on the 39 man Brewer roster making them 42 after the trade. At some point some ones get left cut. Even Norris & McCann throws them over at 41. And trust me here teams do look at this. That's why minor often get thrown into these trades. And there in lies the real problem for the Tigers. There short in the minor's of good tradable players.

Really the Brew crew will want a catcher in return. And a change for McCann could be what he needs. And really the Tigers would need to adjust there 40 man some what. As they do not trend to carry 3 catchers on the 40. So McCann is really/should be in the mix in such a trade.

Yea I would make a Norris and McCann trade. But I think It would take a minor as well.

Another way of looking at this. Is the Cabrera trade again. Tigers were giving a boot load to Miami. Just where were all those players going to fit on the 40. So Willis came along in the deal and made room for one. I all ways felt there was more to that trade than was read, said, or heard about. Me thinks Tigers had to take him, so the 40 would work better for Miami.

But really the 40 man roster imo is a factor to be dealt with.

 

[Rebbiv]

So you think if Lucroy was on the Tigers all year they would be 61-41....the second best record in baseball?

maybe...maybe 59-43 even. Our pitchers would be so much better with a good catcher. And the offensive upgrade over McCann cannot be overstated.

 

[byco42]

Catchers in Tigers' top 10-best seasons (pyth WL%): BA OBP SLG OPS

1934 - Cochrane: .319 .452 .450 .902
1968 - Freehan: .263 .366 .454 .819
1935 - Cochrane: .320 .428 .412 .840
1909 - Schmidt: .209 .240 .269 .508
1915 - Stanage: .223 .274 .277 .551
1907 - Schmidt: .244 .269 .295 .564
1984 - Parrish: .237 .287 .443 .730
2013 - Avila: .227 .317 .376 .693
1961 - Brown: .266 .312 .474 .786
1946 - Tebbits: .243 .312 .307 .619

Interesting stats and I would be interested in knowing what the catchers' stats are for the last 10 WS winners. There are some pretty anemic stats for some really good teams.

 

[@Stakesarehigh]

maybe...maybe 59-43 even. Our pitchers would be so much better with a good catcher. And the offensive upgrade over McCann cannot be overstated.

I must say this newly optimistic rebbiv is quite refreshing

 

[Rebbiv]

2016 W-L with Average Team (waaWL%)

B. Posey .519 WPCT (.526 career)
J. Lucroy .518 WPCT (.512 career)
W. Ramos .517 WPCT (.505 career)
C. Ruiz .516 WPCT (.510 career)
S. Perez .515 WPCT (.512 career)
C. Rupp .509 WPCT (.503 career)
W. Castillo .508 WPCT (.511 career)
J.T. Realmuto .508 WPCT (.507 career)
A. Avila .508 WPCT (.503 career)
S. Vogt .506 WPCT (.504 career)
Y. Grandal .505 WPCT (.507 career)
B. McCann .501 WPCT (.508 career)
D. Norris .501 WPCT (.505 career)
J. Castro .499 WPCT (.503 career)
Y. Molina .498 WPCT (.509 career)
F. Cervelli .496 WPCT (.508 career)
C. Iannetta .495 WPCT (.504 career)
M. Wieters .491 WPCT (.501 career)
R. Martin .487 WPCT (.512 career)
M. Montero .480 WPCT (.503 career)
Y. Gomes .475 WPCT (.504 career)
C. Joseph .472 WPCT (.500 career)

M. Zunino .537 WPCT (.488 career)
R. Rivera .511 WPCT (.496 career)
J. Saltalamacchia .502 WPCT (.496 career)
K. Suzuki .501 WPCT (.499 career)
T. Barnhart .496 WPCT (.494 career)
T. Flowers .495 WPCT (.499 career)
C. Perez .494 WPCT (.498 career)
J. McCann .489 WPCT (.492 career)
K. Plawecki .487 WPCT (.496 career)
N. Hundley .486 WPCT (.499 career)
D. Navarro .483 WPCT (.495 career)
T. d'Arnaud .481 WPCT (.494 career)
A.J. Pierzynski .465 WPCT (.498 career)

 

[tomdalton22]

2016 W-L with Average Team (waaWL%)

B. Posey .519 WPCT (.526 career)
J. Lucroy .518 WPCT (.512 career)
W. Ramos .517 WPCT (.505 career)
C. Ruiz .516 WPCT (.510 career)
S. Perez .515 WPCT (.512 career)
C. Rupp .509 WPCT (.503 career)
W. Castillo .508 WPCT (.511 career)
J.T. Realmuto .508 WPCT (.507 career)
A. Avila .508 WPCT (.503 career)
S. Vogt .506 WPCT (.504 career)
Y. Grandal .505 WPCT (.507 career)
B. McCann .501 WPCT (.508 career)
D. Norris .501 WPCT (.505 career)
J. Castro .499 WPCT (.503 career)
Y. Molina .498 WPCT (.509 career)
F. Cervelli .496 WPCT (.508 career)
C. Iannetta .495 WPCT (.504 career)
M. Wieters .491 WPCT (.501 career)
R. Martin .487 WPCT (.512 career)
M. Montero .480 WPCT (.503 career)
Y. Gomes .475 WPCT (.504 career)
C. Joseph .472 WPCT (.500 career)

M. Zunino .537 WPCT (.488 career)
R. Rivera .511 WPCT (.496 career)
J. Saltalamacchia .502 WPCT (.496 career)
K. Suzuki .501 WPCT (.499 career)
T. Barnhart .496 WPCT (.494 career)
T. Flowers .495 WPCT (.499 career)
C. Perez .494 WPCT (.498 career)
J. McCann .489 WPCT (.492 career)
K. Plawecki .487 WPCT (.496 career)
N. Hundley .486 WPCT (.499 career)
D. Navarro .483 WPCT (.495 career)
T. d'Arnaud .481 WPCT (.494 career)
A.J. Pierzynski .465 WPCT (.498 career)

What do these stats mean?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Catchers in Tigers' top 10-best seasons (pyth WL%): BA OBP SLG OPS

1934 - Cochrane: .319 .452 .450 .902
1968 - Freehan: .263 .366 .454 .819
1935 - Cochrane: .320 .428 .412 .840
1909 - Schmidt: .209 .240 .269 .508
1915 - Stanage: .223 .274 .277 .551
1907 - Schmidt: .244 .269 .295 .564
1984 - Parrish: .237 .287 .443 .730
2013 - Avila: .227 .317 .376 .693
1961 - Brown: .266 .312 .474 .786
1946 - Tebbits: .243 .312 .307 .619

Interesting stats and I would be interested in knowing what the catchers' stats are for the last 10 WS winners. There are some pretty anemic stats for some really good teams.

Understand though that 1968 and other Freehan years it was a pitchers era. Mounds were even higher.. Not so easy to compare. Just based on offensive stats.