2016

[TheVictors]

Pretty accurate.

Michigan is always going to be extremely competitive in recruiting and Harbaugh is like the turbo charger for the recruiting system. Hoke and RR pulled a healthy haul of talent but didnt develop those guys, that isnt the case now.

It's usually buckeye fans who overstate the number of Ohio kids or claim kids that leave Ohio weren't any good anyways

 

[Spartanmack]

The number of kids from Ohio on both M and MSU rosters is always overstated. Of course both Desmond and Woodson knew enough to leave and go to MICHIGAN but it's not like MICHIGAN isn't dominating in NJ, bringing kids from Cali ...Wisky, all over.

Harbaugh is shoring up the MI kids and has a National presence as well.

Recruiting for M is not based on playing OSU. ND doesn't play OSU but pull Ohio kids every year too.

even though they have sucked for longer than uofm has, nd still has the most recognized national brand in college football. And I'm not saying uofm recruiting swings on ohio, but it's a very big part of it - it's naive to say it's not. ohio state recruits in all those places too, they just don't have to rely as heavily on them as uofm because there's so much more talent in ohio than there is in michigan. That's just a fact.

 

[Spartanmack]

I still prefer the geographic splits again because of the cyclical nature of many programs that is difficult to predict. Not long ago people said how the SEC should realign because in the East Florida, UT, and Georgia dominated over the West. Now the West is dominant. The Big Ten East has more traditional powers but not often have they all been at their peak at the same time. Wisconsin has been consistently good the past 20 years more than any other program outside of OSU. I do agree that Nebraska being consistently good again would do a lot to ensure more overall balance though.

sure, geographic splits make more sense but you could still achieve a lot more balance and maintain nearly all the geographic balance as well. I really think Nebraska football has one foot in the grave of being a perennial middle of the pack B1G team just like they were their last 10 years in the Tiny 12. Their success, if you call it that in the B1G is a function of joining at the right time, when OSU stubbed their toe and uofm was in a 10 year slump, otherwise they would have peaked as a 2nd tier team.

I just don't see the West ever achieving consistent parody with the East.

 

[Spartanmack]

Stepping to Mack (no not Bernie) on the Dsportsforum is like.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH54auk02KI

I so wish I could pull off a suit like that...

 

[Spartanmack]

I love this little factoid being pasted all over Facebook recently because state has exactly zero 11-win seasons in its first 125yrs of football. Took until 2010 with an expanded schedule ...started playing football just after slavery ended, before the automobile was invented and didn't have an 11-win season until half way through Obama's first term as President.

And during this same 125yr span, while MSU celebrated three 10-win seasons, MICHIGAN had TWENTY FIVE.



Lol


Oops, dropped my microphone.

and how does that prove that we're barely above average? wasn't that the point? 5 eleven win seasons in 6 years, that's what barely above average teams do? what does that say about teams that took 107 years to do it? you can pick your mic up now, butterfingers. LOLOL

Edit: a little history lesson, slavery was abolished in 1865 and the automobile was invented in 1807, the first gas burning car was invented in 1886 (the 1807 one was powered by an internal combustion engine burned hydrogen, but it was an automobile). MSU started playing football in 1896 which would indicate both your statements are incorrect. Also, bonus math lesson, 2010-1895 is 115, not 125.

 

[jwlcosu]

If you drew up the rosters by state, OSU would crush michigan every year.

You can't do that, Spartanmack, but without regard to roster make-up, I don't disagree.

 

[Spartanmack]

You can't do that, Spartanmack, but without regard to roster make-up, I don't disagree.

Obviously you can't do that, I was just making the point that Ohio produces way more talent than Michigan. It's not even close.

 

[jwlcosu]

Obviously you can't do that, I was just making the point that Ohio produces way more talent than Michigan. It's not even close.

Understood

 

[Michchamp]

That last line was kind of a mic drop. Wow

mic drop because he back-peddled on his claim about taking the long term view of program success? now MSU's above avg success in the last 6 years shows any program can get good when they hire a good coach, so... no need to reshuffle the divisions just beause one is top heavy? yes. thats what I was saying.

 

[biggunsbob]

Hack seems to forget msu and the fine 1967 to 1994 stretch. Yes they were sprinkled with a few good seasons be all in all it was a long strech of suck. I mean a long stretch. I mean who knows it may happen again and if you bring up other teams bad stretches which you did maybe just maybe you should bring up that msu could suck again. Now maybe you amended it but when I read it originally you only brought up certain teams bad runs. Now congrats on the 11 win seasons but vic just crushed you with his facts about the schedule. Mark is a great coach congrats on your teams success. Hopefully it will end soon because as soon as Michigan gets close to a winning record verses Mark he will leave msu in my opinion.
Now go throw another msu tantrum lol.!!!

 

[Michchamp]

what were against MSU during that stretch? I seem to remember the number 30-9 comes to mind. and until Dantonio got there and we entered our "wilderness period" under RichRod and Hoke, it was worse. State won, what? 4 times from '94 to '07?

 

[Michchamp]

they beat Carr in his first year ('95), then had the Plaxico Burress game, and ClockGate.

3 wins from '94-'07. is that right?

 

[Gulo Blue]

That 11 wins stat in the context of 100 years when the season was shorter is a garbage stat.

 

[gotime909]

they beat Carr in his first year ('95), then had the Plaxico Burress game, and ClockGate.

3 wins from '94-'07. is that right?

Yup, the same amount of wins that Michigan had from '50-'67

Cherry picking time frames is fun!!!!

 

[biggunsbob]

Yup, the same amount of wins that Michigan had from '50-'67

Cherry picking time frames is fun!!!!

My guess is msu has alot more droughts the Michigan has. Not really going out on a limb there .

 

[gotime909]

My guess is msu has alot more droughts the Michigan has. Not really going out on a limb there .

Both have had their runs.

Since 1950 Michigan has a 33-29-2 advantage.

Before that Michigan had a much better record in the series primarily because they played 44 of the first 50 games in Ann Arbor. Since MSU joined the Big Ten in '53 the rivalry has been much closer to even.

So if the Spartans are "barely above average" as suggested here, where does that leave Michigan?

 

[Spartanmack]

Hack seems to forget msu and the fine 1967 to 1994 stretch. Yes they were sprinkled with a few good seasons be all in all it was a long strech of suck. I mean a long stretch. I mean who knows it may happen again and if you bring up other teams bad stretches which you did maybe just maybe you should bring up that msu could suck again. Now maybe you amended it but when I read it originally you only brought up certain teams bad runs. Now congrats on the 11 win seasons but vic just crushed you with his facts about the schedule. Mark is a great coach congrats on your teams success. Hopefully it will end soon because as soon as Michigan gets close to a winning record verses Mark he will leave msu in my opinion.
Now go throw another msu tantrum lol.!!!

extrachromosome Bob stops by to drop a whole lot of stupid - youre nothing if not reliable. MSU could have another slump at some point but uofm and OSU will still be in the East, I guess you missed that part. there isn't a national brand in the West and the only half way decent state for recruiting is Illinois, a program that is as terminally bad as you are stupid. those kids arent going to Nebraska or Wisconsin or Iowa. so if uofm regains powerhouse status, it will be OSU and uofm plus MSU at the moment and likely for the foreseeable future with Dantonio. then PSU could rebuild as well. there isn't one, let alone 2 powerhouse programs in the West. how hard is it to see that - not for you and champ, clearly it's extremely hard for a moron to see that, as you've both demomstrated, but how hard is it for normal people to see that?

edit:. and you do realize at least half of Vic's facts that you say destroyed my argument were in fact, factually inaccurate. you do realize, to be a fact, it has to be true, right?

 

[biggunsbob]

extrachromosome Bob stops by to drop a whole lot of stupid - youre nothing if not reliable. MSU could have another slump at some point but uofm and OSU will still be in the East, I guess you missed that part. there isn't a national brand in the West and the only half way decent state for recruiting is Illinois, a program that is as terminally bad as you are stupid. those kids arent going to Nebraska or Wisconsin or Iowa. so if uofm regains powerhouse status, it will be OSU and uofm plus MSU at the moment and likely for the foreseeable future with Dantonio. then PSU could rebuild as well. there isn't one, let alone 2 powerhouse programs in the West. how hard is it to see that - not for you and champ, clearly it's not hard for a moron to see that, as you've both demomstrated, but how hard is it for normal people to see that?

I got the point big time and just like I said you would throw a message board temper tantrum like you always do with the name calling right on que lol.

 

[Spartanmack]

wow, Bob and champ get even dumber on page 4. totally derailing the thread with the "we used to be better than you" tantrum.

 

[biggunsbob]

Both have had their runs.

Since 1950 Michigan has a 33-29-2 advantage.

Before that Michigan had a much better record in the series primarily because they played 44 of the first 50 games in Ann Arbor. Since MSU joined the Big Ten in '53 the rivalry has been much closer to even.

So if the Spartans are "barely above average" as suggested here, where does that leave Michigan?

I was looking at overall records of each team . Do that and and get back to me on the bad streches for each team? It's not even close..