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[Gulo Blue]

so then green energy initiatives are to blame for these low prices... goddamn liberals.

I don't think it's the green energy. I hate to admit it's the fracking, but I think it's the fracking.

 

[Gulo Blue]

The point of OPEC driving oil prices down is to try to show investors they will make spending on fracking infrastructure unprofitable if they have to.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/28/us-opec-meeting-shale-idUSKCN0JC1GK20141128

 

[Gulo Blue]

This is a recipe for a disaster on US soil in my opinion. In places where there's already been infrastructure spending based on expected high prices, it probably doesn't make financial sense to not go ahead and produce what you can to make the losses as small as possible, but under increased price pressure we could see more shortcuts regarding safety and maintenance.

 

[tsmith7559]

so then green energy initiatives are to blame for these low prices... goddamn liberals.

It would fall even lower, it was one example,,80% increase in production in the las 5 yrs is the biggest, Obama sure backed that fracking, didn't he..those windwills in the thumb helped, lol

 

[Spartanmack]

so then green energy initiatives are to blame for these low prices... goddamn liberals.

LOL. Yeah it's all those teslas and Prius drivers with their net zero change in carbon footprint because we burn more coal and nat gas to charge them. But rich libtard folk feel good about driving a Prius while they add them on the same grid they use heat their their cozy little 6k sq ft penthouse and/or McMansions and their pools year-round.

Oil is down because of fracking and the rest of the global economy heading back into the shitter. OPEC is on it's death bed (for now) because dumbass socialist countries like Venezuela have fucked themselves so badly that they run MASSIVE deficits when oil is this cheap. They and other countries facing harsh sanctions NEED to cut production but Saudi Arabia is ok w/these prices. Plus SA probably realizes the global economy needs cheap oil right now and since they export most of their production, it makes sense for them to keep producing. So at the moment OPEC is completely dysfunctional as it's members all have conflicting interests.

Does anybody remember in 2004 when oil hit $40 for the first time and everyone was wondering if the global economy could sustain such high prices?

 

[Michchamp]

Your unhinged Rick Santelli-esque rant convinced me everything I thought I knew about the oil industry was wrong. We are lucky to have an expert of your caliber posting here.

 

[Gulo Blue]

LOL. Yeah it's all those teslas and Prius drivers with their net zero change in carbon footprint because we burn more coal and nat gas to charge them.

Pretty sure this is BS. Yes, there's a significant carbon footprint, but no, it isn't as high as a gas engine.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Here you go. Electric vehicles and hybrids cut about a third off the carbon footprint.

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emissions.php

 

[Michchamp]

Pretty sure this is BS. Yes, there's a significant carbon footprint, but no, it isn't as high as a gas engine.

I know, and I've heard that yarn before as well, but you know it would be great if it was true... really makes those liberals look stupid.

let him have this... he needs small victories like that to get him through the day because he is a very sad man.

 

[Spartanmack]

Here you go. Electric vehicles and hybrids cut about a third off the carbon footprint.

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emissions.php

That doesn't account for the increased carbon consumption of producing electric and hybrid cars, which is considerable. Accounting for that when coal is the primary source of electricity, there is no net benefit for electric cars, and some but nowhere near a third for Hybrids.

And that argument completely ignores cost of ownership. When you factor in the premium price of hybrids over internal combustion cars, they don't make economic sense since the payback period is really long and with gas prices dropping like a rock, they're getting longer - longer than a lot of people own the cars. At some point we could get production costs down low enough that the premium is whittled away but we're not there yet. So even if I'm off by 1/3, which I'm not, it doesn't change the point in any meaningful way which is that hybrids are for wealthy liberals who want to tell everyone their shit doesn't stink because they drive a prius while by far most of their carbon footprint comes from their houses.

But toastchamp can continue to ignore reality and believe his team is saving the world with their hybrids and electric cars. He needs those small victories to get thim through the day...

 

[Spartanmack]

Your unhinged Rick Santelli-esque rant convinced me everything I thought I knew about the oil industry was wrong. We are lucky to have an expert of your caliber posting here.

you accusing someone else of going off on an unhinged rant? that's funny. That's not even close to a rant - just simple economic facts but you don't like people pointing out what an obvious failure socialism was, is and will always be so to you, it's an unhinged rant. I've said it before and I'm sure I'll be saying it again, you are one pathetic loser.

 

[Spartanmack]

I know, and I've heard that yarn before as well, but you know it would be great if it was true... really makes those liberals look stupid.

liberals idiots like you are what make liberals look stupid.

 

[Michchamp]

liberals idiots like you are what make liberals look stupid.

Be careful with the typos when calling other people idiots.

 

[Spartanmack]

Be careful with the typos when calling other people idiots.

says the guy who uses they're, their and there interchangeably.

 

[Gulo Blue]

That doesn't account for the increased carbon consumption of producing electric and hybrid cars, which is considerable.

I doubt it. I know the type of calculation you're talking about and if you've got a reference, I'd check it out, but I'm skeptical. I don't really doubt there's some difference, but enough to offset the savings over the life of the car? I doubt that.

Also, you're stipulating that all the power has to come form coal (and I bet whoever created that comparison picked a bad number for coal trusting nobody who check the stat to that degree.) The link I provided is a more fair way to do it. Use the numbers that reflect what actually happens, not some worst case scenario.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I doubt it. I know the type of calculation you're talking about and if you've got a reference, I'd check it out, but I'm skeptical. I don't really doubt there's some difference, but enough to offset the savings over the life of the car? I doubt that.

Also, you're stipulating that all the power has to come form coal (and I bet whoever created that comparison picked a bad number for coal trusting nobody who check the stat to that degree.) The link I provided is a more fair way to do it. Use the numbers that reflect what actually happens, not some worst case scenario.

Here in LA, if you have a hybrid car, you get this sticker that lets you drive in the car pool lane, even if you're all alone...

That alone makes the whole thing worthwhile, I would imagine...

 

[Thumb]

says the guy who uses they're, their and there interchangeably.

I think sparty is this guy:

 

[Spartanmack]

Here in LA, if you have a hybrid car, you get this sticker that lets you drive in the car pool lane, even if you're all alone...

That alone makes the whole thing worthwhile, I would imagine...

Thought they got rid of that a few years ago - my buddy used to get unsolicited bids above replacement cost for his Prius because it had the sticker and new buyers couldn't get them anymore. And he was really bummed when it got totaled in a wreck because, if I recall correctly, he couldn't get the sticker anymore and his existing sticker was not transferable.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Thought they got rid of that a few years ago - my buddy used to get unsolicited bids above replacement cost for his Prius because it had the sticker and new buyers couldn't get them anymore. And he was really bummed when it got totaled in a wreck because, if I recall correctly, he couldn't get the sticker anymore and his existing sticker was not transferable.

I dunno, Jillian Barberie, formerly of Fox NFL Sunday weather fame, has a radio talk show now, and she sells Priussess on the air (obviously she helps sell them by doing ads her station gets paid for by a Toyota dealership) and in the commercials she talks about how cool it is to use the diamond lane with her new Priuss.

My friend, the actress Barbara Niven, has driven a Priuss for quite a while, but she told me her sticker has expired.

That's about as much as I know.

 

[Spartanmack]

I dunno, Jillian Barberie, formerly of Fox NFL Sunday weather fame, has a radio talk show now, and she sells Priussess on the air (obviously she helps sell them by doing ads her station gets paid for by a Toyota dealership) and in the commercials she talks about how cool it is to use the diamond lane with her new Priuss.

My friend, the actress Barbara Niven, has driven a Priuss for quite a while, but she told me her sticker has expired.

That's about as much as I know.

we've talked about Jillian and how she's still bitter about getting fired from Fox in prior threads. It sounds like your info is more current - I'm going back to about 2006 or 7 when my friend was getting random bids on the street for more than the price of a new Prius at the time and it was probably 2010 give or take a year that it was totaled in an accident - so maybe they went back to issuing them.