Fox News Game

[tsmith7559]

No dumb-dumb, "mission accomplished" was supposed to mean the end of major combat activity.

Except after that it became a guerrilla war.

And even Bush admitted that "mission accomplished" was a mistake.

In January 2009, Bush said that "Clearly, putting 'Mission Accomplished' on an aircraft carrier was a mistake".

Even bush admits it, but you wont because you're too caught up in nut hugging and FOX Newsing.

It was a political mistake to give the biased media anything...that's the mistake.
major combat=defeating the military.

 

[Thumb]

Excuses, excuses...

 

[Michchamp]

and he was correct

the Iraq war was a complete abortion.

the only people who "won" were arms dealers, and defense contractors. everyone else paid for it, either in blood, or in a financially strained government that can barely afford to supply its citizens with basic services.

 

[tinselwolverine]

the Iraq war was a complete abortion.

the only people who "won" were arms dealers, and defense contractors. everyone else paid for it, either in blood, or in a financially strained government that can barely afford to supply its citizens with basic services.

Actually, the United States provides public health care to Iraqi citizens, and has been since the start of the Iraqi War pretty much, going back to the Bush Administration.

At least to the Iraqi citizens who didn't get killed, anyway.

 

[TheVictors]

Summarizes tsmith perfectly! And once again, I called it ---

Driving season begins, as does griping about gas
Published May 27, 2012
Associated Press

NEW YORK – It's Memorial Day weekend and our national obsession with the price of gasoline is in focus once again.

We'll spend a little less at the pump than a few weeks ago, but that won't stop us from muttering to ourselves, griping to friends and pointing fingers in many directions.

Our rants about gasoline and the oil industry may not always be based on facts, but one thing is undeniable: Americans are obsessed with the price of gasoline. More than any other good or service we buy.

In the language of economists, the price of gasoline is "salient." That means it sticks in our brains. Here's why:

We're reminded of the price every time we pass a gas station and see those huge, numbered signs. We buy gas every week, unlike bills we pay monthly or a couple times a year. Milk is $4 a gallon, but we buy only one. When we fill up with gas, we spend $50 or more.

And the biggest frustration, which comes into focus as the numbers spin ever higher at the pump: There is no alternative.

"The oil companies have cornered the market and they are squeezing us for everything we have," says Bob Simpson, 62, of Lodi, N.J., who pays close to $60 to fill up his Ford Escape.

Cheap gas makes the wide open spaces of America seem full of possibility and adventure. When it's expensive, we think twice before setting out.

"Driving is a symbol of freedom in the U.S.," says Shanjun Li, an economist who studies consumer behavior at Cornell University's Dyson School of Applied Economics.

At a nationwide average Friday of $3.67 per gallon, gasoline is far cheaper in the U.S. than much of the rest of the world, thanks to relatively low taxes. In Japan, gas costs more than $7 a gallon; in Britain, nearly $9. Yet Americans consider cheap gas a birthright, so it's a shock when factors beyond our control drive up the price.

People understand why a big TV costs more than a small one, or why tickets to a playoff game are more expensive than a regular season game. But it's harder to appreciate why a local gas station charges more because of high oil demand in China or a remark by an official in Iran. It must be, we reason, that someone is taking advantage of us.

It's not the case, of course: The market for oil and gasoline is global, so rising demand anywhere can push up prices everywhere. And world oil demand is forecast to rise to a record this year.

Also, oil and gasoline are priced on financial exchanges, not by oil companies. Investors can buy oil and gasoline futures contracts — and push up prices — if they fear supplies could be disrupted in the future. But they also can bet that prices will go down.

When President Barack Obama promised stricter oversight of oil markets and a crackdown on "speculators" last month, he stopped short of saying market manipulation was responsible for the current high prices.

Still, the market forces just don't feel right. "People like the idea of a free-market economy but they don't like feeling abused. The fluctuations in the gas prices make people believe this is not an outcome of a free market," says Daniel Airely, a professor of Behavioral Economics at Duke University and author of the book "Predictably Irrational."

Of course, dramatic price rises are common to many markets. The difference with gasoline, and a big part of the reason we are obsessed, is that people who need to get to work or want to visit family may have no choice but to drive.

When broccoli is expensive, we can buy asparagus instead. If flights to Paris are expensive in July, we can wait until November. Or visit Seattle instead.

"We are powerless," says Dave Bartiromo, 39, an internet marketing specialist from Wadsworth, Ohio. "I can get by just fine without orange juice if it's expensive. Gas is my only option."

U.S. motorists spend far more than any other country at the pump — $470 billion last year. A typical family spends 8 percent of its household income on gasoline, according to the Oil Price Information Service.

That weighs on the mood of Americans. When prices are high, we worry about spending on other goods and our financial situation in general.

Still, the concern over gasoline prices "is completely out of proportion with the financial damage it does," says Amy Myers Jaffe, director of the Baker Institute Energy Forum at Rice University.

In a study of reactions people had in 2008 when gasoline spiked above $4 a gallon for the first time, the Baker Institute and the Brookings Institution found that people's happiness dropped as if their monthly income had fallen by $530, even though the damage was closer to $70 a month.

Beyond those price signs in our faces, the high cost and the lack of an alternative, there are subtle factors that make us grumble about gasoline, experts say.

We know that buying gasoline sends U.S. dollars abroad and supports countries whose interests don't always line up with those of the United States. We also know that burning gasoline pollutes the air and contributes to climate change.

We rarely consider that gasoline is amazing stuff. So packed with energy that one gallon can propel a family 30 miles down a highway in a 3,000 pound car at 70 miles an hour.

It is so useful, convenient and, yes, cheap that we haven't developed an economically viable alternative.

But we've come to expect it to do all that it does at a much lower price than we pay today. And when it costs more than we'd like, we just have to take it. We're stuck staring at a big bill with nothing to do but obsess over how much it costs, how much it will cost next time and who's to blame.

 

[tsmith7559]

did you call the market dropping 1,200 pts in a month....fuck gas, people just lost $$$$$. So fucking gas is $0.22 cheaper than a month ago(Clarkston)...big fucking deal, It should be under $3. Go tell the 30 Million unemployed/underemployed about gas dropping, LOL

Dam, I missed where Fox News suggested Obama was manipulating gas prices to get re-elected....

 

[TheVictors]

So now you understand why gas is more expensive now than in January 2009!!

I will admit, it took a lot longer to teach you, but I'm glad you finally understand -- And understand why I'm right and you've been wrong this whole thread. But deep down you still think the price of gas is tied to Obama, so as your anger builds (as it is) and others like you who don't like to face reality, but rather be told what you want to hear --

FoxNews will do it.

And even if intelligent heads prevail in the FoxNews production meeting, I still have enjoyed watching you squirm and dodge the topic and try to throw things like "Jerry Brown" and the Clarkston Shell station into it.

Let me guess ....paying less than $3.85/gallon there now aren't you tough guy??

 

[tsmith7559]

So now you understand why gas is more expensive now than in January 2009!!

I will admit, it took a lot longer to teach you, but I'm glad you finally understand -- And understand why I'm right and you've been wrong this whole thread. But deep down you still think the price of gas is tied to Obama, so as your anger builds (as it is) and others like you who don't like to face reality, but rather be told what you want to hear --

FoxNews will do it.

And even if intelligent heads prevail in the FoxNews production meeting, I still have enjoyed watching you squirm and dodge the topic and try to throw things like "Jerry Brown" and the Clarkston Shell station into it.

Let me guess ....paying less than $3.85/gallon there now aren't you tough guy??

the whole premise of your thread was that Fox News would spin gas prices, obviously you were wrong. That was the topic, you might want to go back and read your original thread and admit you were wrong.
I know one thing, if Obama would have opened up federal lands for drilling, authorized Keystone, gas would be $2.75/gal and dropping dramatically. Its always supply and demand.

So your saying the economy is much better now than Jan 2009?? $1.80 better??? how so?? Unemployment is worse, the economy sucks.

 

[TheVictors]

Oh, there's A LOT of time for FoxNews to do a lot of desperate shit between now and November -- the whole FoxNews Game is a joke, you're the one who decided to make it a serious thread about the price of gas ..and I schooled you. I predicted precisely why gas would not go up -DESPITE your Google search results - and everything I said would happen has happened.

And now you're bitching and moaning about everything again, even though you're paying less for gas as I said you would.

Just for shits and giggles, how much money do you have in the stock market anyways? Surely such an accomplished small business owner already enjoying his retirement would have made some adjustments in April.

 

[TheVictors]

blah blah blah...All President's get the blame...$4 gas prices.......those are the facts

^^^^^^^^^^^^ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!


You've been wrong since your first reply.

 

[tsmith7559]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!


You've been wrong since your first reply.

that's right.....he is to blame , open up drilling, keystone and its $2.35/gal.....he doesnt, its $3.60...get the picture??

 

[tsmith7559]

dam...pumped gas at $4.01 (07/31/12) at Ormond & M-59 in White Lake Twp....I'm glad I didnt waste my money on 2 degrees from U of M. $0.12 higher than in April when I first bitched....Hey Barack, forget your green policy, lets pump some oil in the good ol USA and put people to work with high paying jobs...see N. Dakota!!!!!!!

 

[Slick]

Fox News was great last night Palin vs Cheney.....Dick says she was a mistake , Sarah says Dick is starting to believe the Liberal hype against her.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Fox News was great last night Palin vs Cheney.....Dick says she was a mistake , Sarah says Dick is starting to believe the Liberal hype against her.

That's pretty funny.

Leave it to the liberal media; they're like Chinese Water Torcher; give them enough time and they'll brainwash anybody.

Next thing, Cheney will be telling everybody that he's in favor of same sex marriage.

 

[tsmith7559]

I'm waiting to hear why -- as NET EXPORTERS OF OIL RIGHT NOW -- drilling anywhere and everywhere will be of interest to the Oil Companies.


Bump
Next topic will be the huge problems associated with Mexican immigration as there was actually a net outflow of people moving BACK to Mexico last year.

Bump

 

[tinselwolverine]

I never really figured out how to play this game two years ago, and I still don't understand it...

 

[Michchamp]

I never really figured out how to play this game two years ago, and I still don't understand it...

I guess the "Drill Baby Drill" people should be Obama supporters now? We didn't "Drill Baby Drill" enough from 2001-2009, despite GOP control of the Executive & Legislative branches for much of that decade, but have since then? That's one theory.

Unlike tLIAR, I don't presume to know enough about the global flow of oil, from the time it's pumped from the ground, piped/shipped to refineries, and then eventually delivered to power plants/corner gas stations, to know exactly why the prices have cratered.

My understanding, pre-2014 fall in gas prices, was that the only oil left in the U.S. was hard (read: expensive) to get, and would only be profitable if prices remained high. If this supposed boom in domestic production (in the Dakotas?) remains high enough though, prices will continue to fall, domestic production will cease to be profitable, we'll go back to buying cheap gas from overseas & prices will inevitably rise again?

Or maybe enough people are driving Priuses & electric cars that it made a huge dent in the demand curve, further exacerbated by years of high prices leading more people into production at the wrong time?

Who knows? I'm pretty sure no one at Fox Business News does.

 

[Thumb]

It's funny how tstupid claimed unless Obama passed the Keystone XL gas would be $3.60 a gallon. Yet he didn't and now it's even lower than dummy claimed it would have gone ($2.35)

So Obama says no to Keystone pipeline still, ISIL crisis in middle east, and gas Price continue to fall.

What a loon.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I guess the "Drill Baby Drill" people should be Obama supporters now? We didn't "Drill Baby Drill" enough from 2001-2009, despite GOP control of the Executive & Legislative branches for much of that decade, but have since then? That's one theory.

Unlike tLIAR, I don't presume to know enough about the global flow of oil, from the time it's pumped from the ground, piped/shipped to refineries, and then eventually delivered to power plants/corner gas stations, to know exactly why the prices have cratered.

My understanding, pre-2014 fall in gas prices, was that the only oil left in the U.S. was hard (read: expensive) to get, and would only be profitable if prices remained high. If this supposed boom in domestic production (in the Dakotas?) remains high enough though, prices will continue to fall, domestic production will cease to be profitable, we'll go back to buying cheap gas from overseas & prices will inevitably rise again?

Or maybe enough people are driving Priuses & electric cars that it made a huge dent in the demand curve, further exacerbated by years of high prices leading more people into production at the wrong time?

Who knows? I'm pretty sure no one at Fox Business News does.

I thought the story was that OPEC is plunging prices intentionally to try to slow down US investment in these new technologies. Isn't that the point of the (probably apocryphal for all I know) story about how at the formation of OPEC, some Saudi made the argument that the stoneage didn't end because we ran out of stones and the goal of OPEC has been understood to be #1) keep everyone hooked on their oil and #2 profit?

 

[Michchamp]

I thought the story was that OPEC is plunging prices intentionally to try to slow down US investment in these new technologies. Isn't that the point of the (probably apocryphal for all I know) story about how at the formation of OPEC, some Saudi made the argument that the stoneage didn't end because we ran out of stones and the goal of OPEC has been understood to be #1) keep everyone hooked on their oil and #2 profit?

so then green energy initiatives are to blame for these low prices... goddamn liberals.