Game 6: Lions @ Cowboys Thread

[tomdalton22]

Everyone health still 1 win.

don't forget that LKP is a delusional fool.

 

[LKP]

don't forget that LKP is a delusional fool.

Don't forget that having better players make the Lions a better team. 3 of the losses were very close. And the other games were closer than the score. Having a pass rush with Paschal and Harris and Cominsky to help Hutch would be huge. Having Chark and St Brown and Jameson Williams could make this offense sustain the 35 PPG they had the first 4 games coupled with a better defense for some wins.

Let's see if we get the good offense and decent enough defense on the same page with some health.

11 more to go to show progress at 7 wins (6-5 finish) or 8 wins (7-4 finish) wins in 2022.

 

[503]

Don't forget that having better players make the Lions a better team. 3 of the losses were very close. And the other games were closer than the score. Having a pass rush with Paschal and Harris and Cominsky to help Hutch would be huge. Having Chark and St Brown and Jameson Williams could make this offense sustain the 35 PPG they had the first 4 games coupled with a better defense for some wins.

Let's see if we get the good offense and decent enough defense on the same page with some health.

11 more to go to show progress at 7 wins (6-5 finish) or 8 wins (7-4 finish) wins in 2022.

Health and injuries is not an excuse.

We moved up in the 1st round to draft a player we knew would miss minimum half the season.
We used a 2nd round pick on an injured player that had documented injury risk.
Chark was hurt all last year and he was our big FA signing.
We?ve seen enough to know Swift will miss time w a stuffy nose.

The real problem in my opinion and I?ve been saying this?The starting and backup QB position. We won?t be a good team until we Goff is no longer the starter and we bring in his replacement. Also need a new HC.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Don't forget that having better players make the Lions a better team. 3 of the losses were very close. And the other games were closer than the score. Having a pass rush with Paschal and Harris and Cominsky to help Hutch would be huge. Having Chark and St Brown and Jameson Williams could make this offense sustain the 35 PPG they had the first 4 games coupled with a better defense for some wins.

Let's see if we get the good offense and decent enough defense on the same page with some health.

11 more to go to show progress at 7 wins (6-5 finish) or 8 wins (7-4 finish) wins in 2022.

It's all about your delusional win total. Who cares if they win 7, not like they're going to win 10 next season and 12 the season after. This team is a yoyo, 6 wins, 3 wins, 5 wins, 3 wins and now 1-5.

 

[LKP]

Health and injuries is not an excuse.

We moved up in the 1st round to draft a player we knew would miss minimum half the season.
We used a 2nd round pick on an injured player that had documented injury risk.
Chark was hurt all last year and he was our big FA signing.
We?ve seen enough to know Swift will miss time w a stuffy nose.

The real problem in my opinion and I?ve been saying this?The starting and backup QB position. We won?t be a good team until we Goff is no longer the starter and we bring in his replacement. Also need a new HC.

St Brown, Jackson, Ragnow, Vaitai and his backup, Reynolds, Chark, Swift have all been injured too. We added not relying on Jameson (also an injury) and everyone got hurt. The potential if healthy is 35 PPG. We are dealing with more injuries than normal or average and its affecting Goff. But agree we will still draft a QB in 2023. Better class, better cap space and higher ceiling than Goff though still a huge risk.

Defensive injuries are a huge problem too. Half the Dline/backups, FS (though Joseph stepped up) and lots of depth injuries too (Jacobs, Ife, Cominsky etc). Now that Paschal and Cominsky (even with a club) are back, the defense showed improvement and some FS depth with Joseph. That proves my point that we need guys healthy or at least normal NFL health to win. Yes we will have injuries next year, but it might be less than this if it normals out. We can handle one of Swift, Chark, Jameson, St Brown out but not all of them. That's ridiculous to have all of them hurt. We can handle Levi and Romeo hurt but then you add Paschal, Cominsky and Charles Harris on top of that, you are at bottom of the barrel with Austin Bryant and Hutch/McNeil having to do it all. And Brockers sucks so that mistake will be cleaned up this offseason and we will gain cap space.

Injuries also hurt players development especially younger ones. You can't get better if you are not playing (see Ife, Levi etc)

If St Brown and Swift are back this week, it will be a huge boost to the offense. The defense has improved so those two combined should lead to some wins. We shall see.

 

[LKP]

It's all about your delusional win total. Who cares if they win 7, not like they're going to win 10 next season and 12 the season after. This team is a yoyo, 6 wins, 3 wins, 5 wins, 3 wins and now 1-5.

We wouldn't be 1-5 if we had Swift and St Brown and more Dline players healthy.

 

[tinselwolverine]

We wouldn't be 1-5 if we had Swift and St Brown and more Dline players healthy.

Right.

Also we wouldn?t be 1-5 if we were Philadelphia.

Or Buffalo or Minnesota.

Or Kansas City.

 

[Mitchrapp]

We wouldn't be 1-5 if we had Swift and St Brown and more Dline players healthy.

Yeah sure. I was hoping you'd get the idea that this never compete for anything. And last year and 2020, 2019 and 2018 etc..

Injury excuses are bullshit. Other team seem to do. Is Zappe anything special for NE? No but there he is a couple wins for himself. How does Chicago have 3 wins or NO has more wins. NO is terrible. Carolina, the Commodores. Pittsburgh or Denver? All these teams blow.

 

[LKP]

Yeah sure. I was hoping you'd get the idea that this never compete for anything. And last year and 2020, 2019 and 2018 etc..

Injury excuses are bullshit. Other team seem to do. Is Zappe anything special for NE? No but there he is a couple wins for himself. How does Chicago have 3 wins or NO has more wins. NO is terrible. Carolina, the Commodores. Pittsburgh or Denver? All these teams blow.

All these teams are playing teams with injuries too. Chicago is very healthy

Also more importantly, they are playing teams with decent amount of injuries to even it out. Lions played some very very healthy teams in Eagles, Vikings and Cowboys and Patriots (other than QB). It's not evening out. Finally this week the Dolphins have some major injuries (to even out). Both OTS and secondary galore for them. You got to pay attention to both teams

Also Patricia era could be very different from this regime. It was a tear down in 2021. Now they are building but they can't rebuild if they don't have healthy players to develop. Let's see what happens the final 11.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It's always a tear down. Longest rebuild in history of any sport.

 

[tomdalton22]

All these teams are playing teams with injuries too. Chicago is very healthy

Also more importantly, they are playing teams with decent amount of injuries to even it out. Lions played some very very healthy teams in Eagles, Vikings and Cowboys and Patriots (other than QB). It's not evening out. Finally this week the Dolphins have some major injuries (to even out). Both OTS and secondary galore for them. You got to pay attention to both teams

Also Patricia era could be very different from this regime. It was a tear down in 2021. Now they are building but they can't rebuild if they don't have healthy players to develop. Let's see what happens the final 11.

I can tell you what will happen over the final 11 games. They will lose more games than they win. 4 more wins is the ceiling for this team.

 

[LKP]

It's always a tear down. Longest rebuild in history of any sport.

It's not one rebuild. It's a series of failed rebuilds and some decent to good teams that couldn't get over the playoff hump. This one might not be a failed rebuild. Too early to tell and it's being delayed by excessive not normal injuries.

 

[LKP]

I can tell you what will happen over the final 11 games. They will lose more games than they win. 4 more wins is the ceiling for this team.

Depends on many factors such as healthy and player development, execution and who we face and who they have healthy.

4-7, 5-6, 6-5, 7-4. Doesn't really matter, it's about the development. And next year they add more talent, hopefully stay healthy (extremely healthy would be nice but I'll take average not one of worst in the league) and see what they can do. If we finish 4-7 or 7-4, we can still go 10-7+ next year no matter what we do this year.

 

[tomdalton22]

Depends on many factors such as healthy and player development, execution and who we face and who they have healthy.

4-7, 5-6, 6-5, 7-4. Doesn't really matter, it's about the development. And next year they add more talent, hopefully stay healthy (extremely healthy would be nice but I'll take average not one of worst in the league) and see what they can do. If we finish 4-7 or 7-4, we can still go 10-7+ next year no matter what we do this year.

how about 2-9? IMO, that's the most likely result.

 

[LKP]

how about 2-9? IMO, that's the most likely result.

2-9 could see it if these injuries keep up. And yet still could be 10-7+ with health next year with player development even in that 2-9 take your lumps finish. 3-14 to 11-6 sounds nice. 3-14 helps to get the rookie QB we want too.

 

[tomdalton22]

2-9 could see it if these injuries keep up. And yet still could be 10-7+ with health next year with player development even in that 2-9 take your lumps finish. 3-14 to 11-6 sounds nice. 3-14 helps to get the rookie QB we want too.

the injuries will continue. They do for every team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

10-7+, lmao.

 

[LKP]

the injuries will continue. They do for every team.

Not always at the same rate. They are not always this excessive that the Lions have right now. 4 of top 5 WRS, two RGs, LG few games, stud RB, over half the Dline/backups, FS, backup CBs/ST contributors galore too

Just look around the league and you can see some teams are healthier than others. They track all those things

And in final 11 and next year, we could play teams that have more injuries than we have too. That hasn't been the case in the first 6 games. It's been a big injury advantage for our opponents having way less injuries than the Lions (and who was hurt too is important not just the quantity).

 

[Mitchrapp]

I don't know how Swift is a Stud.

 

[tomdalton22]

Through week 6 top 5 in "man games" lost due to injury

1 SF 3-4
2 Bal 4-3
3 NO 2-5
4 TB 3-4
5 Dal 5-2

Weighted by "quality" of injured players

1 SF 3-4
2 DEN 2-5
3 BUF 5-1
4 Dal 5-2
5 Det 1-5

The difference between these teams is the good teams have deep rosters that can overcome injuries.