Police & Crime aka Man, Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva is so Great

[Spartanmack]

and of course, let's not distract from the fact that our police were not defunded, and are the best funded and equipped police anywhere on the planet, by far.

it's just a coincidence you can't say the same thing about our public infrastructure, benefits, family/parental leave, social spending, life expectancy, infant mortality, and human decency...

Wrong again. LA County did it.
Minneapolis did it too. You're not very good at this. You should try using the internet before you make such stupid blanket statements.

 

[Spartanmack]

how many trans men (people that used to be women but added a dick) have been able to compete at the highest levels in male sports?

Does it matter?

yes, it matters. The fact that trans men can't compete with real mean and the fact that trans women destroy real women should tell you something about the science of biology and gender. If only you cared about science instead of using it as a platitude to push your anti-science.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Sure why not?

All of the relevant studies about masks shows them ? except for the N 905s ? as being worthless and useless.

An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

 

[Michchamp]

Wrong again. LA County did it.
Minneapolis did it too. You're not very good at this. You should try using the internet before you make such stupid blanket statements.

So, of the 18,000 police departments in the United States, two of them, LA, and Minneapolis, reduced their budgets.

LA reduced their proposed police budget of $1.86 BILLION by $150MM (an 8% reduction. Minneapolis reduced their police budget of $179MM by $8MM (a 4% decrease). But announced staffing would remain the same.

I think my statement "the police were not defunded" still stands without qualification. In both cases they're shifting resources to non-police emergency responders as appropriate.

Imagine that? you call 911 because your kid with a history of depression won't come down from the roof, or forgot to take his meds, and instead of sending a cop to murder him, they send a trained psychologist to talk him down.

Progress, America... we're only like 50 years behind First World countries on this issue now. at least in a couple parts of the country.

Thanks for sharing, spartanmack

 

[tomdalton22]

So, of the 18,000 police departments in the United States, two of them, LA, and Minneapolis, reduced their budgets.

LA reduced their proposed police budget of $1.86 BILLION by $150MM (an 8% reduction. Minneapolis reduced their police budget of $179MM by $8MM (a 4% decrease). But announced staffing would remain the same.

I think my statement "the police were not defunded" still stands without qualification. In both cases they're shifting resources to non-police emergency responders as appropriate.

Imagine that? you call 911 because your kid with a history of depression won't come down from the roof, or forgot to take his meds, and instead of sending a cop to murder him, they send a trained psychologist to talk him down.

Progress, America... we're only like 50 years behind First World countries on this issue now. at least in a couple parts of the country.

Thanks for sharing, spartanmack

so when you moved to Houston...did you consider Aldine or did you go to a suburb, where they have less crime and spend a lot more per capita on law enforcement?

 

[Michchamp]

so when you moved to Houston...did you consider Aldine or did you go to a suburb, where they have less crime and spend a lot more per capita on law enforcement?

LOL what? so you're saying it's my fault?

 

[tomdalton22]

LOL what? so you're saying it's my fault?

not saying it's your fault. I'm saying you might be a little bit of a hypocrite. I am assuming that you chose a place to live that is low in crime and spends more per capita on police services than the areas that you chose not to live in.

 

[Michchamp]

not saying it's your fault. I'm saying you might be a little bit of a hypocrite. I am assuming that you chose a place to live that is low in crime and spends more per capita on police services than the areas that you chose not to live in.

because I think the police are bloated, overfunded, and we send them to do more than they're capable of, I must like crime and want to live in a high crime area?

 

[tomdalton22]

because I think the police are bloated, overfunded, and we send them to do more than they're capable of, I must like crime and want to live in a high crime area?

well, if you live in an area that spends more per capita on the police force than in those high crime areas...it kind of makes you a hypocrite. By doing so you are essentially supporting spending more money on police.

 

[Spartanmack]

So, of the 18,000 police departments in the United States, two of them, LA, and Minneapolis, reduced their budgets.

LA reduced their proposed police budget of $1.86 BILLION by $150MM (an 8% reduction. Minneapolis reduced their police budget of $179MM by $8MM (a 4% decrease). But announced staffing would remain the same.

I think my statement "the police were not defunded" still stands without qualification. In both cases they're shifting resources to non-police emergency responders as appropriate.

Imagine that? you call 911 because your kid with a history of depression won't come down from the roof, or forgot to take his meds, and instead of sending a cop to murder him, they send a trained psychologist to talk him down.

Progress, America... we're only like 50 years behind First World countries on this issue now. at least in a couple parts of the country.

Thanks for sharing, spartanmack

LOLOLOL - who made the blanket statement that "we" defunded the police. What do you mean by we? You think your statement is intact because the whole country hasn't done it? Classic, that's a truly amazing position. So, as an expert on police and police funding (at least on the national level) do we have to wait for the whole country or maybe just a majority of the country to defund police before we can criticize the counties and municipalities that do it? You realize that policing is funded and managed locally, not federally right? It's amazing but you're still able to shock me with how dumb you can be.

Did you read about what they tried to do in Minneapolis? The city council proposed bigger cuts and a headcount reduction from 888 officers to 750 with a cap at that level. The council reluctantly voted and barely agreed (vote was 7-6) to remove the language around the cap and leave staff levels intact after the mayor threatened to veto the entire bill due to pressure from citizens and a spike in violent crime.

By the way, Ted Wheeler cut $18mm from the Portland police department, but now he's scrambling to reverse that and says he wants more cops after a massive spike in crime. As an expert on police nationally, would you say defunding the police in Portland was a failure or would you say it didn't actually happen (even though it obviously did)?

Also, Seattle voted 7-1 to defund the police, slashing salaries and eliminating 100 of the 1,400 staff, targeting a team of officers that dismantles homelesss camps. The sole no vote was socialist Kshama Sawant who voted against it on principle because it didn't go far enough - she is still pushing for a 50% cut to the police budget.

 

[Spartanmack]

because I think the police are bloated, overfunded, and we send them to do more than they're capable of, I must like crime and want to live in a high crime area?

so where's your evidence that cops are murdering mentally ill people that don't pose a threat to them or anyone else? Do you have any or is it one of those problems we all know about but can't quantify because cops don't report them? Any data at all? Do you have a good anecdote?

Is this a case of a harmless mentally ill person who police murdered? Too bad Lancaster police didn't send a trained psychologist instead of a cop to deal with this gentleman...

 

[Spartanmack]

While not a national police force, the city council of Austin, Texas voted to cut $150mm, approximately 34% of the total police budget with predictable results. Predictable if you're not an idiot leftist, that is.

 

[tomdalton22]

While not a national police force, the city council of Austin, Texas voted to cut $150mm, approximately 34% of the total police budget with predictable results. Predictable if you're not an idiot leftist, that is.

the city just needs more mental health experts...that should reduce the number of murders and other violent crimes.

 

[Michchamp]

the city just needs more mental health experts...that should reduce the number of murders and other violent crimes.

Have you ever seen how few murders cops clear in big cities? mental health experts couldn't possibly be worse

 

[Spartanmack]

Have you ever seen how few murders cops clear in big cities? mental health experts couldn't possibly be worse

have you seen how many kids graduate from public high school in big cities? Should we replace teachers with mental health experts?

 

[tomdalton22]

Have you ever seen how few murders cops clear in big cities? mental health experts couldn't possibly be worse

My thought is that with less police presence crime rates would likely go up. I wasn't considering the investigation after the crime occurred.

My guess is large cities have a terrible rate of clearing murders. I think over 100 people were shot and 19 killed over the 4th of July weekend. That's a lot of murders to clear.

Maybe get rid of the police all together?

 

[tinselwolverine]

I wonder why this might be happening.

 

[Spartanmack]

I wonder why this might be happening.

because capitalism has failed?

 

[tinselwolverine]

because capitalism has failed?

Don?t tell the Governor of California. While not the richest guy in the world, with a net worth of $20 million, he ain?t doin? bad as a small businessman.

His ?sponsor,? so to speak, George Getty, was named in the 1960s as the world?s richest private citizen, and family through marriage, unapologetic self declared capitalist Nancy Pelosi is among the richest members of Congress, although I think the majority of her loot was made by her husband.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MR65ZhO6LGA

I guess maybe capitalism is OK as long as one views the world through the lens of the spectrum of equity.

 

[Michchamp]

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I guess maybe capitalism is OK as long as one views the world through the lens of the spectrum of equity.

That is true. Corporate America (and others), most of the Democrats (except Bernie and his people) have adopted that mantra to justify and deflect