2016

[Gulo Blue]

I'm saying I would like to see balance and to really achieve it, uofm and osu should be split up. I think it's ridiculous that with all the tradition that has been destroyed by hte NCAA and B1G, they choose to preserve that rivalry to the detriment of the rest of the league. I don't ever see any programs in the west achieving consistent national prowess AND I think it's more likely that MSU and PSU maintian and/or achieve competitive levels consistently higher than teams in the West. The long term competitive balance in the B1G is heavily concentrated in the East. I don't think it's impossible but I don't have a timeline. I also don't think it's entirely within the leagues control. The BTN will probably keep the league together for the foreseeable future, but I could see this grand experiment failing and this imbalance being a factor for why teams leave.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry to a man whose team plays in a conference with the prestige and financial security that that rivalry provides, and then questions the manner in which it provides it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, otherwise, I suggest you develop your own conference, and populate it with the top rivalries in the nation. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think would be best for the Big Ten.

 

[Spartanmack]

Go to Columbus in October on a home football Saturday and witness. And tell me that this rivalry is not more important to OSU fans than Michigan fans. It's never been an issue where the players played HS football.



All I am saying is do not volunteer M for a task that MSU can fill.

That's not what you're saying. And, I should have mentioned this in that post but early in the thread I did mention other possibilities to achieve balance, specifically:

split up osu & uofm and do away with their annual game
split osu and uofm but maintain their protected rivalry
move MSU to the west with a protected rivalry game against uofm

the latter two would be an improvement but not nearly as significant or equitable as the first.

 

[Spartanmack]

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry to a man whose team plays in a conference with the prestige and financial security that that rivalry provides, and then questions the manner in which it provides it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, otherwise, I suggest you develop your own conference, and populate it with the top rivalries in the nation. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think would be best for the Big Ten.

michturd level arrogance with loads more creativity but equally devoid of substance. It did make me laugh, thanks for that.

 

[tomdalton22]

That's not what you're saying. And, I should have mentioned this in that post but early in the thread I did mention other possibilities to achieve balance, specifically:

split up osu & uofm and do away with their annual game
split osu and uofm but maintain their protected rivalry
move MSU to the west with a protected rivalry game against uofm

the latter two would be an improvement but not nearly as significant or equitable as the first.

you forgot move MSU to the west and do away with their annual game with UM as an option. fewer people care about that game than OSU vs UM.

 

[Gulo Blue]

michturd level arrogance with loads more creativity but equally devoid of substance. It did make me laugh, thanks for that.

I am at least as arrogant as MC.

 

[Gulo Blue]

you forgot move MSU to the west and do away with their annual game with UM as an option. fewer people care about that game than OSU vs UM.

Good point. Then we could argue about who needs the rivalry more.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I think we should trade Maryland, Indiana, and Rutgers for Nebraska, Iowa, and Wisconsin. Parity is stupid and I just want to see Michigan play the best teams possible. Screw the national dialog. Splitting up Michigan and Ohio State is a Dave Brandon idea.

 

[Spartanmack]

you forgot move MSU to the west and do away with their annual game with UM as an option. fewer people care about that game than OSU vs UM.

I didn't forget it. option three is already pretty far down the list, how many options do i have to present? should I go through all the possible permutations and rank them for you? I'm sure you'd still find something irrelevant and completely stupid to say.

 

[Gulo Blue]

We should round robin Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama, USC, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Penn state, and Tennessee every year.

How amazing would that be?

 

[tomdalton22]

I didn't forget it. option three is already pretty far down the list, how many options do i have to present? should I go through all the possible permutations and rank them for you? I'm sure you'd still find something irrelevant and completely stupid to say.

actually, moving MSU to the west without the protected rivalry makes much more sense than your first two options.

 

[byco42]

I think we need more than two seasons of this alignment to determine whether or not there is a lack of balance. MSU won on a late TD last season in the championship game.

 

[Spartanmack]

actually, moving MSU to the west without the protected rivalry makes much more sense than your first two options.

it might be better for MSU but it doesn't make more sense for them and certainly doesn't make more sense for the rest of the conference than splitting up uofm and osu.

 

[Michchamp]

we could also just do away with divisions and have the top 2 play eachother at the end of the season.

no idea how tiebreakers would work though.

 

[Gulo Blue]

it might be better for MSU but it doesn't make more sense for them and certainly doesn't make more sense for the rest of the conference than splitting up uofm and osu.

You keep saying that. There's no way. Mich/OSU one of the Big Ten's most anticipated, most loved, most valuable games. And the more on the line, the better. This has to be one of the worst ideas. From either perspective, money, or fan happiness, this is just a horrible, horrible idea.

 

[Gulo Blue]

You know what would bring more parity to the Big Ten? Just kicking Michigan and Ohio State out altogether. Maybe that would make the most sense for the rest of the conference.

 

[Spartanmack]

You keep saying that. There's no way. Mich/OSU one of the Big Ten's most anticipated, most loved, most valuable games. And the more on the line, the better. This has to be one of the worst ideas. From either perspective, money, or fan happiness, this is just a horrible, horrible idea.

Most loved by OSU and uofm fans, most anticipated by only them as well. How is that game valuable to anyone else? And how could there be more on the line than the B1G championship and a possible trip to the playoff? Fan happiness outside of the 2 fan bases would be virtually unaffected.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Most loved by OSU and uofm fans, most anticipated by only them as well. How is that game valuable to anyone else? And how could there be more on the line than the B1G championship and a possible trip to the playoff? Fan happiness outside of the 2 fan bases would be virtually unaffected.

So it's the biggest thing in the world to two fans bases and everyone else is virtually unaffected, on what planet is it a good idea then?

What Big Ten game is more important? If the Big Ten had to shuffle a bunch of things around and they could only ensure a few games would be preserved, this should absolutely be on that list of things to not mess with. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't get college football and should stick to the pros.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Most loved by OSU and uofm fans, most anticipated by only them as well. How is that game valuable to anyone else? And how could there be more on the line than the B1G championship and a possible trip to the playoff? Fan happiness outside of the 2 fan bases would be virtually unaffected.

If this was political instead of football, your position here would be more socialist than Bernie Sanders.

 

[tomdalton22]

Most loved by OSU and uofm fans, most anticipated by only them as well. How is that game valuable to anyone else? And how could there be more on the line than the B1G championship and a possible trip to the playoff? Fan happiness outside of the 2 fan bases would be virtually unaffected.

It's the only big 10 rivalry game that gets any national attention. If you look at most rival games in other conferences, most are in the same division.


Cal, Stanford
UCLA, USC
Bama, Auburn


Even smaller ones (but big to the fan bases)


Washington, WSU
AZ, ASU
OLE miss, Miss St
Oregon, Oregon St
UM, MSU

 

[Spartanmack]

If this was political instead of football, your position here would be more socialist than Bernie Sanders.

Of course it's not. I'm not looking for equality of outcomes or saying that talent should be distributed evenly among teams. I'm looking for a more even playing field. Uofm, OSU, Delaney et al are the corporatocracy but there is no Bernie sanders equivalent in this argument.