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U.S. intelligence agencies say Iran, Russia have tried to interfere in 2020 election

She didn’t say anything about black women.

The pre-election polls, however good or not good they are, indicated a significant increase in intent to vote for Trump among young black men.


Some pundits attributed this to Trump’s “toxic masculinity,“ apparently seen as a positive to some young black men - which seems a little racist – why would young black men be seen to have more toxic masculinity than young white men?

Anyway, I’m pretty sure I didn’t hear any thing about any such kind of increase in intent to vote for Trump among black women.

My guess is that young black men have been denied the privilege of complete and thorough education in the intersectional hierarchy. The liberal elites teaching the toxicity of masculinity have so far only brainwashed the softer, more malleable and compliant suburbanites. Hopefully one day, urban youth will understand that there is no difference between men and women (other than in pay, of course), gender is a social construct, and masculinity leads to rape culture and therefore must be suppressed.
 
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My guess is that young black men have been denied the privilege of complete and thorough education in the intersectional hierarchy. The liberal elites teaching the toxicity of masculinity have so far only brainwashed the softer, more malleable and compliant suburbanites. Hopefully one day, urban youth will understand that there is no difference between men and women (other than in pay, of course), gender is a social construct, and masculinity leads to rape culture and therefore must be suppressed.

Yeah.

Generally, the black guys I know - for the most part I?ve known them for years from my boxing gym - pretty sure they?re not gonna bother listening to that shit.

Hell, I?m no longer youthful nor was I urban of background - even I have trouble paying attention.
 
quick bump of the post that made mc walk away and pretend the conversation never happened. Remember the conversation about who wrote the ACA and who benefited from it? Well today was a little pay back by Big Pharma to Uncle Joe...

Less 7 days after the election Pfizer announces their vaccine is more than 90% effective against coronavirus. Obviously, announcing these results before the election would have boosted Trump's chances significantly given it's the outcome of Operation Warp Speed. But they haven't forgotten who took their money to let them write the ACA. Nor did they forget who worked against them by granting most favored nation status to drug purchases, allowing the re-importation of prescription drugs, etc to drive down prices for Medicare (that would be Trump). Anyone who thinks the timing of this announcement is just a coincidence is a fool - it would be dumber than thinking health insurers wrote a law that led to them pulling out of entire states en masse because they couldn't make money.

What about the fact that the healthcare industry lobby drafted it, and it was initially a more or less right wing plan to ensure private insurers kept their place at the trough when Romney implemented almost the same thing (with a mandate and all) in Massachusetts?

are you just going to ignore those (as usual) so you can shoehorn this into your "government - only when democrats in charge = bad" worldview?

yes, you are.

Lost in the screaming about the ACA is the fact that Obama also allowed (which NEITHER party will undo) massive consolidation in the health insurance industry, and drawn by the stench of corruption, private equity forced their way to the trough as well, and is responsible for the "surprise billing" people get now.

Just fucking remove health insurers from the equation, and all these problems go away. A bunch of huge leeches feeding off something people have no control over: getting hurt or getting sick.

When you click the link and read about how Max Baucus and his aides FROM THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY ... DRAFTED THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE OF THE ACA ... AND THEN all went to work in the health insurance industry/lobby for more money, and that undermines your entire point about how Obama intended to "make private insurance worse," then yeah, you pretty much have to stop reading and start name calling, like he does.

Or start screaming "wrong wrong wrong" and hope you don't get asked to prove why it's wrong, forcing you to go google until you find an article from Daily Wire or the Heritage Foundation that says it's wrong (again without explaining why).

The ACA made private insurance worse for us, but more lucrative for the insurers themselves... tough to argue that last part was an accidental result of Obama's bad policy making. It was the whole point, and Obama, being owned by the lobbyists, signed it after the industry wrote the bill.

This is how things work in a shithole country

sigh, here we go again. this happens so often, I'm surprised even you expect your posts to be taken seriously. I'm not ignoring facts, I was ignoring your completely incorrect statements. You're constantly either intentionally misrepresenting articles you post hoping no one will read them or you haven't read them yourself and are just making shit up hoping no one will read them. But, to put you in your place again, I'll indulge yet another one of your tantrums.

First, I haven't called anyone any names in this thread.

Second, Max Baucus is a Democrat, the bill was passed on a party line vote and signed into law by a Democrat President. The fact that Max Baucus engaged in corrupt crony corporatism, having his friends in the pharmaceutical industry write the bill or that Romney passed something similar in uber leftist Massachusetts, does not make it "essentially a right wing plan." Democrats have been in bed with corporations for decades, just like establishment Republicans. This bill is 100% leftist policy and it's utterly absurd to say otherwise.

Third, it's well documented and widely reported that the pharmaceutical industry, not the health insurance industry was by far the biggest lobbying influence in drafting the ACA. The piece you posted even says so:

The pharmaceutical giant that just hired Fowler actively supported the passage of Obamacare through its membership in the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) lobby. Indeed, PhRMA was one of the most aggressive supporters - and most lavish beneficiaries - of the health care bill drafted by Fowler. Mother Jones' James Ridgeway proclaimed "Big Pharma" the "big winner" in the health care bill.

Baucus and Fowler both went on to lobby for big pharma, not health insurance companies. Again, from the piece you linked:

"Elizabeth Fowler is leaving the White House for a senior-level position leading 'global health policy' at Johnson & Johnson's government affairs and policy group...And now, Fowler will receive ample rewards from that same industry as she peddles her influence in government and exploits her experience with its inner workings to work on that industry's behalf, all of which has been made perfectly legal by the same insular, Versailles-like Washington culture that so lavishly benefits from all of this."


FYI, Johnson & Johnson IS NOT a health insurance provider. Now, you may believe all for-profit entities have the same concerns and motives, leading you to mistakenly think what's good for big pharma must be good for big insurance, therefore Spartanmack has been owned. But you're wrong and it would be tough to be more wrong. Anyone with any understanding how health care works in America, knows big pharma and big insurance are not the same. You can see this in who benefited most from the ACA - big pharma (again I refer you to the first quote above, taken directly from the article you posted), and which industry got most screwed - health insurance. The bet for big pharma is that their friends in government will take care of them when the government takes over healthcare and the insurance companies, providers and device manufacturers will be the ones that get screwed.

The ACA did, in fact make private insurance worse for us AND the insurance companies. That's why so many states saw so many insurance companies pull out of the exchanges and out of doing business entirely in several states in the first couple years of the law - and they haven't gone back. They didn't leave entire states in droves because the ACA was a huge boon to their profits.

So, you're wrong again and I didn't need an article from the Daily Wire or the Heritage Foundation - all I had to do was read the article you linked (I didn't really need to read it as I already knew big pharma wrote the ACA, but I did because I always find it funny how often I disprove your lies with your own links - it happens so often, I've lost count).

Now as usual you're either going to disappear and pretend this never happened, or engage in some name calling, hand waiving, moving the goal posts or try to argue that Baucus is basically a Republican and that big pharma is basically the same thing as big health insurers and then accuse me of doing exactly what you do so you can tell yourself you won the internets "again."
 
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quick bump of the post that made mc walk away and pretend the conversation never happened. Remember the conversation about who wrote the ACA and who benefited from it? Well today was a little pay back by Big Pharma to Uncle Joe...

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I didn't respond because I didn't think your big "GOTCHA" here, that Max Baucus went to work for the pharmaceutical lobby, instead of the health insurance lobby (or wahtever) was worth responding to, but if it makes you feel better, then you do you.

I've repeatedly said that the corporate democrats are awful on healthcare & health insurance, (and big pharma which is part of that shit show, not exclusive to it). I said we should just have Medicare for All and cut all the rent-seeking middle men out of the equation.

indeed that was the context of my entire post, disputing your allegation that the ACA was intended to make private insurance worse (just for shits and giggles, I guess?). The ACA made those at the top of the industry a lot more money. Of course they'd throw Biden a bone.
 
I didn't respond because I didn't think your big "GOTCHA" here, that Max Baucus went to work for the pharmaceutical lobby, instead of the health insurance lobby (or wahtever) was worth responding to, but if it makes you feel better, then you do you.

I've repeatedly said that the corporate democrats are awful on healthcare & health insurance, (and big pharma which is part of that shit show, not exclusive to it). I said we should just have Medicare for All and cut all the rent-seeking middle men out of the equation.

indeed that was the context of my entire post, disputing your allegation that the ACA was intended to make private insurance worse (just for shits and giggles, I guess?). The ACA made those at the top of the industry a lot more money. Of course they'd throw Biden a bone.

we both know Max Baucus career move wasn't the big gotcha, just like we both know you were and are wrong and that's why you didn't respond. conveniently, you continue to avoid the evidence from your own link that indicated the pharmaceutical lobby was by far the most influential in writing the ACA. So no, that indeed was not the entire context of your post.

The ACA benefited the pharmaceutical industry the most by far (again, go read the article you posted) and in the process, it made private insurance worse for both consumers and producers and drove prices up not down by virtually eliminating competition. It's not the "health care industry in general" nor is it the insurance companies that have "thrown Biden a bone" here. Pfizer, a large pharmaceutical company has done thrown the bone to Uncle Joe - and not on behalf of the health insurance providers or the healthcare industry, it was a thanks for fucking everyone else and granting a huge boon to them.

I know you can't admit your wrong, but your prior decision to walk away was far smarter than what you've chosen to do here, which is just dig yourself deeper into a hole.
 
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According to the New York Post, Joe Biden's cancer charity took in ~$4.8mm in donations over 2 years, paid out $3.1mm in salaries ($654k of that to Greg Simon, a former Pfizer executive and Obama Admin official). The charity spent another ~$154k on travel related expenses and $802k on conferences. That's roughly 85% of donations spent on administrative issues - and so far 0% spent giving grants for cancer research, treatment, etc.

Of course we all know about his crackhead son receiving millions from sketchy Ukrainians, Russians and Communist Chinese gov't officials while his dad, Vice President Joe Biden was in office, setting him up w/ all these deals (and taking a 50% cut on top of equity stakes). Then there's James Biden who joining a construction firm that soon after scored a $1.5B deal to build homes in Iraq while his brother (Vice President Joe Biden, in case it wasn't obvious) was in charge of US policy in Iraq.

Move along, nothing to see here folks, we're too busy spending millions to investigate Trump on manufactured charges with no evidence. And I just read on the "Election" thread that it's Trump supporters who will believe anything.
 
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According to the New York Post, Joe Biden's cancer charity took in ~$4.8mm in donations over 2 years, paid out $3.1mm in salaries ($654k of that to Greg Simon, a former Pfizer executive and Obama Admin official). The charity spent another ~$154k on travel related expenses and $802k on conferences. That's roughly 85% of donations spent on administrative issues - and so far 0% spent giving grants for cancer research, treatment, etc.

Of course we all know about his crackhead son receiving millions from sketchy Ukrainians, Russians and Communist Chinese gov't officials while his dad, Vice President Joe Biden was in office, setting him up w/ all these deals (and taking a 50% cut on top of equity stakes). Then there's James Biden who joining a construction firm that soon after scored a $1.5B deal to build homes in Iraq while his brother (Vice President Joe Biden, in case it wasn't obvious) was in charge of US policy in Iraq.

Move along, nothing to see here folks, we're too busy spending millions to investigate Trump on manufactured charges with no evidence. And I just read on the "Election" thread that it's Trump supporters who will believe anything.

Did anyone here actually like Biden or defend him? Who are you arguing with?

The guy is obviously rotten, corrupt, owned by corporate interests and has been for his entire career.

Will be fun watching you engage in all sorts of verbal gymnastics to shoehorn the issue that Biden and his administration are completely beholden to US corporate interests with almost limitless money, into "Biden is a socialist," "government is the problem," and "corporate taxes and regulations need to be reduced"
 
Did anyone here actually like Biden or defend him? Who are you arguing with?


Is there anyone in the US? I'd like to see a poll of Biden voters if they would rather vote for Biden or a generic random democrat.
 
Did anyone here actually like Biden or defend him? Who are you arguing with?

The guy is obviously rotten, corrupt, owned by corporate interests and has been for his entire career.

Will be fun watching you engage in all sorts of verbal gymnastics to shoehorn the issue that Biden and his administration are completely beholden to US corporate interests with almost limitless money, into "Biden is a socialist," "government is the problem," and "corporate taxes and regulations need to be reduced"

No shoehorning will be required because unlike you I?m able to see things for what they are and I understand that those things aren?t mutually exclusive. Not everything has to fit into a nice little bucket just because you do.
 
No shoehorning will be required because unlike you I?m able to see things for what they are and I understand that those things aren?t mutually exclusive. Not everything has to fit into a nice little bucket just because you do.


Right... a "socialist" will allow his administration to be a revolving door for corporate lobbyists to funnel public money and favors to their industries, but the real problem will be always be unions, workers, and any government regulators who try to do their jobs, but never the corporations and their interests, which can never fail, only be failed.
 
Right... a "socialist" will allow his administration to be a revolving door for corporate lobbyists to funnel public money and favors to their industries, but the real problem will be always be unions, workers, and any government regulators who try to do their jobs, but never the corporations and their interests, which can never fail, only be failed.

LOL you think a “socialist” wouldn’t be corrupt - I wonder what the evidence says about that - if only there were some obvious examples to review.

Nice try, but you got it wrong again. Also, based on the evidence, Biden himself seems to be more beholden to Chinese communist/corporate interests. Not so much US corporate interests - although he does probably owe some big favors to big pharma, so we can probably count on him f’ing up private insurance and healthcare ex-pharma even more. But that won’t preclude me from criticizing other thing he may try to do like tax payer funded college, single payer or a public health care option as socialist. If you think that’s contradictory or makes me a hypocrite, it’s because of the bucket you come from.
 
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can't read past the first two paragraphs without a subscription. That said, there's nothing in those 2 paragraphs about other countries interfering in our politics.

Had to dig up this golden oldie. But of course you were denying what everyone else knew was true.

Damn dude, you really are the most predictable thing ever.
 
Had to dig up this golden oldie. But of course you were denying what everyone else knew was true.

Damn dude, you really are the most predictable thing ever.

What exactly was I denying by saying I couldn't read the article without a subscription?
 
Yeah, that article was the only proof. Hilarious now that you suddenly want to read the article.

Busted!:yay:

I suddenly want to read the article? That post where I said I couldn't read it is almost 3 years old you moron.

And it's "the only proof" of what, exactly? is it your contention that I claimed other countries don't interfere in our politics? If so, I'd like to see you provide the proof of me saying that...

I was seeking information about what's in the article because I couldn't read it (and again, I posted that 3 years ago) - you interpret that to mean I was refuting it's contents?

You're going completely off the rails now. You should quite while your behind and get yourself some help.
 
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